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Post by cucumberjones on May 14, 2010 18:42:20 GMT -5
I think when Smokey was thrown into the light, he sucked it up, merging his soul and the light together as one in the Smoke form. Being the light, he now has these "magical" powers that come along with being Smokey. The reason he can't leave is because he would be taking the light with him. The light was the heart of the island, but now Smokey is the heart of the island. And without him, the island isn't as magical and would end up sunken.
Sure, there is other electromagnetic light on the island, but surely it's nothing as powerful as the glowing gold bit that his Mother was protecting for who knows how long.
With this episode, my biggest beef isn't even with the episode itself. Rather, I now severely question Smokey's intentions. Why does he want to go home so badly? How can he even call across the sea his home, if he's never been there before? What is so important that he needs to get off the island? He's special and he knows it, but I still am baffled as to why he's so dead-set on leaving his true home.
Can we call Adam and Eve a bit of symbolism, please? Instead of regarding it as Damon and Carlton "figuring it out as they go along," how about this: we've had Adam and Eve since season 1. Two names, two bodies, but we don't know who they belong to. We also have two characters (Smokey and his Mother), in which we were deliberately never given their names. Now we find out Adam and Eve are these two characters. Coincidence? I think not. I believe their names were Adam and Eve respectively. We'll just never be explicitly told that.
One more thing about this episode--I have no clue why anyone would hate it. I'm not even defending the episode here (although I did enjoy it tremendously), I just don't see what there is to hate about it. The only thing I hated about it was the fact that it was only 1 hour. And I'm not being a stubborn Lost fan that only wants answers. I simply enjoyed the backstory immensely and I know they won't do it, but I would love to see a spinoff with Pellegrino and Welliver. Their story was very intriguing to me.
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Post by LockeRulez on May 14, 2010 20:47:55 GMT -5
I've become more ok with what the cave light represents, but I still don't like that there's a random magical cave that no one's noticed. The lighthouse was the same way, but that just seemed like a tool Jacob used. This cave is apparently the reason for everything. I've been trying to think about what "magical powers" Jacob got by becoming the Protector. He was told he's actually much more specifically the Protector of The Light Cave, rather than the Island. And I think the main power he got from the Wine Ceremony (that differentiates him from MIB's long-life/etc) is the ability to "hide and move" things. As MIB said, he searched every inch and did not find that cave.... (and just because he found the FDW cave doesn't mean its the same light, Mother was just trying to prevent him from leaving, probably via one of the other types of electromagnetism pockets).. So Jacob can hide and move things.. The Cave, The Cabin, The Lighthouse, and especially The Island. Exactly how there is some sort of "bubble" or whatever around the Island, there is probably a mini-version outside The Cabin, The Lighthouse, and The Cave so even if you're on the island, you can't get to them. (How that works? Fairy Pixies and Children's Wishes.) So how about what happens to the light? you can't take it, but "man can extinguish it" if they try?? I'm not even going there, but this doesn't seem to jive with the explanation of the Bottle/Cork/Island holding evil in. Does that really mean the light is pure evil? "there's a bit of it in everyman, but they want more?" .. huh? Anyway... I would say that the biggest question I have been pondering as of these recent ep's is how could Jacob possibly let himself get killed by Ben. He knew it was coming, and let it happen. Yet we keep being told that his job is SO IMPORTANT to keep MIB there and to protect the light cave. So he really let himself get killed, leaving these world-ending things unprotected? I would think the only way this would happen is if someone has ALREADY taken over as Protector. I guess we will find out more, but there is something more to Jacob's death than we know so far. (Did Richard already become the Protector via drinking from the bottle, as I mentioned earlier? But this was way too long ago.) I predict Desmond has to go down the magical light cave by influence of Widmore in the finale. this is interesting.. i think his "immunity" to the electromagnetism will be key, but possibly against MIB if in fact MIB is part of the light. |
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Post by LockeRulez on May 14, 2010 22:25:32 GMT -5
oh yeah, and why were Lil'Jacob's hands bloody??? We have seen nothing to indicate Jacob as a child did anything like this, and it wasn't until he killed Brother as an adult that we've seen anything close to this from Jacob.
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Post by monsterjester on May 14, 2010 22:45:52 GMT -5
Jacob did beat his brother bloody when he was taking off, right?
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Post by spinaltumor on May 15, 2010 0:34:07 GMT -5
Yeah, he did beat him up. Although not really enough to get THAT bloody.
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Post by soreal on May 15, 2010 2:25:29 GMT -5
With this episode, my biggest beef isn't even with the episode itself. Rather, I now severely question Smokey's intentions. Why does he want to go home so badly? How can he even call across the sea his home, if he's never been there before? What is so important that he needs to get off the island? He's special and he knows it, but I still am baffled as to why he's so dead-set on leaving his true home. Can we call Adam and Eve a bit of symbolism, please? Instead of regarding it as Damon and Carlton "figuring it out as they go along," how about this: we've had Adam and Eve since season 1. Two names, two bodies, but we don't know who they belong to. We also have two characters (Smokey and his Mother), in which we were deliberately never given their names. Now we find out Adam and Eve are these two characters. Coincidence? I think not. I believe their names were Adam and Eve respectively. We'll just never be explicitly told that. I agree with your reasoning on Adam and Eve but as for MIB wanting to leave the island. I think it is similar to an adopted child. They have a home but they know it isn't where they are from. I think it's only natural for MIB to want to leave the island for the simple fact that he knows it isn't where he is from. He may not know where home is but he knows the island isn't it. Not to mention the fact that he knows the only family he knows about was killed. Why would or should he care about the island and being a protector of it after the last protector killed his mother? I have always been on Team MIB so maybe I'm being bias but I don't see how anyone can call him evil without calling everyone else on the island evil. Just like the majority of everyone else on island, he wants to leave. If he has to kill some people along the way for that to happen, then so be it. The Losties have done the same thing and if they had to go by the same rules as MIB, I think they would do the same things that MIB has done. |
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Post by markinmemphis on May 15, 2010 8:34:03 GMT -5
Think that the MIB / Mother reveal as Adam & Eve makes sense...and I'm buying that it's been thought out all along. The ORIGINAL Adam and Eve story is close to the story that the writers told us in this episode.
Think of the light in the cave as the apple in the story of Adam and Eve. Each was said to have great power, but would cause destruction to those who sought it. Mother/Eve showed the boys the light/apple, and MIB desperately searched for it for 30 years -- and in a roundabout way that search led to his and his people's destruction.
Not perfect parallels, and I'm not a Biblical expert. But just think it's more than a coincidence that these two characters were referred to as Adam and Eve in season 1, and when their identities were revealed, the writers told a very similar story to the original Adam and Eve story (a great power and temptation, etc.).
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Post by ForTheIsland on May 15, 2010 13:58:19 GMT -5
^ and adam and eve's children, one killed the other.
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Post by Denny on May 15, 2010 16:01:36 GMT -5
something that really started to bug me that hasn't before is whether or not there will be an explanation for all these dead people apparitions that were NOT Smokey. Like... is it part of the mythology that the dead can come back and interact and therefore change things? Claudia, Richard's wife, Michael? Before we could kinda think they were all different manifestations by Smokey but Claudia was pre-Smokey. anyone have any theories on that?  ETA: if it turns out it is just independ dead people manifestations completely disconnected from Smokey... well I'm ok with it I guess. I suppose it makes sense that dead-Claudia would want her child to know where he came from. But what I'm wondering is... is there an other intelligence behind such apparitions, is there a reason for how they influence the living, or they're just after their own wishes and that is completely separate from everything else? |
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Post by cucumberjones on May 15, 2010 16:36:48 GMT -5
I don't think we'll get those answers, Denny. I think Richard's wife and Claudia are ghosts. Some people can see them, some can't. Hurley and MIB clearly can see dead people--they're special. Just like Miles is special, as was Walt.
I think Michael was a trapped soul that died on the island but couldn't pass into another place because he murdered. That's what the whispers are (something we were told for sure) and there are plenty of these types on the island along with him.
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Post by Denny on May 15, 2010 16:58:21 GMT -5
oh that's right the whispers, forgot about those
so we're supposed to think the dead are simply trying to have their say in what should happen? because Michael tries to get Hurley to go to... MIB... o.O wasn't that it... now why would Michael want that???
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Post by spinaltumor on May 15, 2010 19:16:27 GMT -5
I think Michael more just said they shouldn't blow up the plane? Maybe to just stop the violence or something.
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Post by witheyesclosed on May 16, 2010 1:05:01 GMT -5
Denny:
my theory on why Claudia was there before presmokey.
Did you see the light around her when she first appeared and spoke to brother? I think that the light or at least some part of it is smokey. The light in her form was tempting brother to go away from Jacob. Brother was always curious about everything and in a way was always tempted to mess with the light. Perhaps the light/smokey knew he could be tempted into walking into the light, thus granting light/smokey a human form. Mother Eve did say it would be something worse than death.
We know that mib can't be brother at least not physically. We see that his body remains in the cave with eve. So it's either smokey disguising himself as brother much as he is now with Locke. Or it is the curious/tempted/evil side of brother in smokey form.
Additionally, are the tunnels they go into in follow the leader the same cave enterance in the water where the light once was? There's a lot more water in it now but it had a familiar feel, had a cave enterance like the light, and it lead to a place with several hieroglyphics.
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Post by cucumberjones on May 16, 2010 11:43:30 GMT -5
That's a good point, about the caves from Follow the Leader. I was just thinking, "why have we never seen this place before (the place where the light was)?" But then I got to thinking that maybe we have. For all we know, the temple could have been built over that area, or like you said, it could have been that same underwater cave we saw in season 5.
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Post by Denny on May 16, 2010 12:27:49 GMT -5
I think Michael more just said they shouldn't blow up the plane? Maybe to just stop the violence or something. ok I went back to that episode - Michael says he's there to stop him (Hurley) from getting everyone killed. So he didn't say they should go to MIB - they just end up choosing to do that. We know that mib can't be brother at least not physically. We see that his body remains in the cave with eve. So it's either smokey disguising himself as brother much as he is now with Locke. Or it is the curious/tempted/evil side of brother in smokey form. That is something I don't see clearly for now too. Is Smokey merged with Brother or he's something else that looks like him? because he does carry everyone's memories. He carries Locke's memories too, and he uses them to his advantage... but is he somehow THEM too? so your theory is that smokey could act/influence people through dead bodies even before he was free from the light cave? mmmm it's possible I guess. |
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