"Across The Sea" Disc Ep 6x15

[LockeRulez]

Holy Jeez.. 23min in, and its still Jacob/MIB story! Awesome.

Darn those LOST writers with the stupid MIB naming thing. Can you draw it out any longer?

Does anyone think that Fake Mom sounds EXACTLY like Helen (Peg Bundy)? Close your eyes, and its definitely her talking.

Coincidence? Did (un)Locke fall in love with someone who sounds like his mother?

I will put out the crackpot theory that Locke was ALWAYS MIB, and we will find out MIB's real name is John or Locke or both or something. The MIB "body" (Titus) wasn't his real original one, but only one he took on after Jacob "took his humanity".

[witheyesclosed]

So light = wheel?

[witheyesclosed]

Lol nvm just came out after I posted

[witheyesclosed]

Plus first there was good. Then there was evil. Was the fake mom expecting just Jacob. Or a boy and girl? She seemed upset when she touched mib.

[neosithlord]

They better show us how he becomes Smokey! Bet he walks into the light. 10 mins to go in this episode!

[witheyesclosed]

Last ten minutes better be good cause this episode has been predictable IMO. Saw her giving birth to both with Jacob first and unexpected child. Hasn't been enough explanation either. From what they've shown, mib has been justified for everything that he has done. Still need something that's relavent though to now.

[mastercrackle]

Wow.. Crazy stuff.
Is MIB the smoke? Is this how he can take on other forms, because he is not constrained to a body??
Or did Jacob release evil by not protecting the light and letting something go down there?

[neosithlord]

Ok so we basically still have no idea what the smoke monster is.

[spinaltumor]

That was a little lame, to be quite honest.

I do not like magical cave of light.

Adam and Eve being two people we didn't know in season 1...how does that prove they knew everything from the get-go? I don't doubt them or anything, but still..... The boasted that and I don't really see it other than a couple of rocks.

[LockeRulez]

We're not done yet.. did you see Locke's face when Jack found the rocks.. Recognition... Locke knows in Season 1. Because he is MIB ...

[jasonrhodes]

I just... sigh. I've given up, guys. Lost is not going to end well. I liked the episode tonight, if it had aired about 10 weeks ago. At this point, that episode should have told us who the MIB "Titus" guy is, his name, how he became smoke, what the smoke is, why he needs to take on other bodies, why he could see the dead people when he was young, how his mom made it so they "can't hurt each other", who the f&$% his mom is anyway, why he can't leave the island, why mom killed all the villagers, etc etc etc etc etc.

There are so many more answers to get to with the rest of the characters, for the finale, that this mythology piece should've been wrapped up tonight. They're not going to answer everything, obviously, but it's sounding more and more like a license to answer almost nothing.

spinaltumor, I've defended them many many times here, but I'm sympathizing with you tonight. Cave of Magic Light was semi-lame, and not answering any of the actually relevant questions in what could have been an amazing mythology episode was even lamer.

I've moved from "let's hope the ending is great!" to "let's hope the ending isn't embarrassingly ridiculous!"

[spinaltumor]

I usually defend Lost to the death, and I still love the show. But this episode was noticeably weak when it shouldn't have been. Not so close to the end. The story of Jacob and MIB should have been handled over a longer period of time. Not all at once at the very end. Not enough of it is clear or thought out well enough.

I'd rather cry over Sayid, Sun and Jin and possibly Frank again than see more stuff like tonight.


And if Locke was MIB in season 1, I'll gag. 'Cause that really makes no sense at all.

[blop]

I thought it was fantastic. I'm not sure why some people are still asking for MIB's name... we saw this episode that he doesn't have a name!!! His mother didn't name him, she was killed, and the two brothers had no need for another name to give MIB. They were the only ones. Jacob was Jacob, brother was MIB.

Also, jason, we DID find out who MIB is. We found out how he become smoke. He doesn't NEED to take other bodies, he can. I think we'll still get the answer to why the dead can be seen by some. The mom killed the villagers because they were creating the donkey wheel, and she didn't want anyone to leave.

We don't know who the mother is, or what exactly this light is, but those are things I personally would be fine as left unanswered. I think we'll still get more on this 'light' though. I'm sure it will play in heavily to the finale, and I think Widmore has some idea about it.

I thought overall it was extremely well done, and very interesting. The Adam and Eve reveal was great. The reason it shows they had a plan, is because they had the black and white stones - right from the beginning they knew these two people were going to represent the two sides - the mom, who's job was taken over by Jacob, and MIB.

We also can presume that the 'game' that MIB and Jacob made came up in the coming years. MIB hinted at this, saying "one day you can make a game and give it your own rules".

We found out, according to the mom, the light seems to be a part of every human, keeping them alive. A soul per say. MIB was left with only his 'soul' and not his body, hence him telling Kate that his body was taken away from him.

Actually, I'm just thinking now, and I think I know how the Smoke Monster takes the bodies of others. He now has some or all of that light in him, and so he can put his own 'soul' into those bodies. This also might relate to how he 'scans' people. Maybe he can kinda access their 'soul' and discover everything about them.

And here's why I think Jacob won't let Smokey leave. Because maybe Smokey DID take all the light. So now he contains the light. If he were to leave, it would extinguish the light and everyone would die or something to that effect.


One more thing I think is interesting: I wondered right away when we saw the light, if Locke saw this. Remember "I looked into the eye of the island, and what I saw was beautiful". What if it wasn't the smoke monster at all that he was talking about? What if he actually discovered the little cave with the light, which is very symbolic of an 'eye of the island'. This would be pretty incredible, and I think that for sure would show they knew where they were heading right from the start.
So I think that Locke found that light way back in the first few episodes, after seeing Smokey (maybe he ran away and stumbled into it, maybe Smokey showed it to him). Then he left awestruck but could never find it again. That's why he was always looking for something, always had faith in the island.

[LockeRulez]

Pretty awesome episode (for me) ! As soon as I saw the cave in the beginning, I had a feeling we were going to see Adam & Eve! only dead 40-50 years, Jack?

Why didn't they call this episode: Stop asking questions because you'll only get more questions.. that was my favorite quote this episode, explaining how i felt. are they giving us one last major frustration before the final revelation? Assuming we've been getting answers alot this season, this had to be intentional to get us psyched again about the finale and wanting answers again. too bad some people are giving up.. that was a risk i guess. i am certainly frustrated, but i will stick with it.

Questions:

So if the wine in the bottle is how Jacob became the "protector", what happens now that MIB broke the bottle? Obviously there is more to it (such as the chant) than just the wine in the bottle. And of course, he drank it with Ricardo, right? Is Richard our secret Candidate? Is he "already" the new Protector because he drank the bottle already?

Did anyone guess that MIB's original body would get "left behind" when he got turned into Smokey? I guess he told us as much previously that Jacob "took his body", but this still surprised me. (And now he can turn into his MIB form because its one of the dead bodies on the island.) So is Smokey really the original MIB? I think so, but there is some doubt.. Smokey could still be "pure evil" from the "cave of light" that just takes on the form/memories of dead people (including MIB). But i do think its our original MIB since his mom said he would turn into something else if he went into the cave. And how does this all fit in with the island (bottle/cork) holding in all the evil (wine) ?? that didn't quite jive with tonight's explanations.

And why is MIB now stuck as Locke now that Jacob is dead? I'll only guess that it has something to do with my Crackpot theory from the beginning of this thread that Locke/MIB were always the same somehow.

I'm betting we won't find out any more about the actual mechanics of "what smokey is" than what we saw tonight... or what the cave of light is.. i'm guessing they won't go into the mechanics of how they work.. only what they are... too bad.. not to mention putting together the Light, the FDW, and some water gets you off the island? huh? Not so happy here so far about these "mechanics" answers. But I will trust the writers a bit longer since i've gone this far.. but i'm definitely concerned.

What new "powers" did Jacob get by drinking the wine? Already he couldn't leave and couldn't kill each other (possibly immortal already). Exactly how is he supposed to "protect" the light? And how did Jacob and/or Fake Mom take out the whole village and the Well?? The whole time I was thinking that the wine turned him into another Smoke Monster and that's how they demolished the Village/Well. At the time i was thinking that sometime later MIB took the wine too to become a Smoke Monster, but I guess he got it another way. There's still something up the writers' sleeve about Jacob's "powers" that he got from the wine/chant and how they demolished the village/well.

And who fixed the FDW if the Fake Mom destroyed the well?? would the FDW survive under all that demolition if MIB influenced someone to dig it up later?

Why does the Mom say its so bad for Jacob to go into the Cave? If your job is to protect the island, why is it so bad to become Smokey and protect the island in that form? Again, this goes back to what powers did Jacob get by drinking the wine, and how are they that much better.

How does one figure out when their "time is up" and its time to find a replacement? Are you able to see the future and know when you're going to die? Did the Mom know MIB was going to kill her after their conversation at the FDW ? And assuming you live for thousands (or even hundreds) of years, this would imply you are somewhat immortal, or at least have extra special powers making it difficult to die. So what did MIB do that would actually kill her? (same with ben killing Jacob)... I guess we're led to believe you live long, but can still be killed.

Why is Hurley seeing Dead Jacob as an adult, while MIB (and others) are seeing Lil'Jacob?

what did Fake mom say right before she died? Immediately after falling over, she said a word I couldn't understand... for a second i thought she was giving MIB's name before saying "Thank you"... i guess we'll wait for the transcript.

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yup.. Fake Mom said it right: your questions only lead to more questions...

[spinaltumor]

I wasn't disappointed in this episode because of any answers we didn't get. I just felt this episode wasn't strong enough to match the epicness that is supposed to be the struggle between Jacob and MIB.

Where did the animosity between them come from? How is MIB the essence of evil?
Why use a cave of magical light when they could have just showed a well of light leading from the donkey wheel? I could have grasped that much easier than a magical cave we've never seen before. That's just too big to look over.



I get the whole wanting Locke to have been seeing the cave, but I don't see how that makes sense. We see Locke when he sees the light. The monster approaches and Locke looks up into the trees. I don't think the trees is where the cave of light is....