"Across The Sea" Disc Ep 6x15

[lifi12085]

So I did like this episode, I think it explained a lot, but of course, its lost so there are more questions.

Ok here is what I got out of this episode, I might be totally off, but thats the fun of lost right?

When MIL went into the light cave, it looked like the light went out before the smoke came out. I think MIL is not just MIL but the embodiment of the light in the cave. He is able to shift between different people and inhabit their bodies because he is created from the essence of what every man is. He might have been able to leave before entering the cave, but not after, because if he leaves, the light is released through him. Jacob not only has to protect the island, but keep MIL there as well, because MIL is the island (or the power of it).

I would honestly have to watch the episode again, but thats just what came to mind!

[Denny]

that was so satisfying and somehow it wasn't but I'm ok with that now. it's just the way it is. Lost is its own thing, and it can't be predicted - and that's brilliant.

So MIL is the "dark side" of the island or something? It does seem to have Jacob's bro's essence in it, seeing as he wants to leave so much. But, maybe, only part of MIL is that man, the other part is the evil that wants to come out and away from the island forever. I love how crackpotty that sounds. But then again, it's Lost, it's supposed to be crackpot.

I actually LOVE the fact Adam and Eve are none of the losties.

Can't wait for everybody's theories, seeing as I have none myself ;D

[queen]

We never learned the fake mom lady's name right? Im assuming that, in the way she asked the real mothers name as "what are you called?" it implies her disregard for such "societal" things as names. She herself probably never had a name. then again, if that were true, why did she bother asking? i dunno. and why bother keeping the name Jacob? surely it wasnt out of respect for the lady she killed, lol.
im sure the "others" eventually gave MIB/MIL/Brother/Smokey/Adam a name though. For someone with no name, he sure seems to have many.

Back when we learned of Jacob and we were all theorizing about esau, Im sure that has no relevance now, but i wonder, is there relevance to the name Claudia? doubt it. just throwing the idea out there for anyone who cares to research.

Seems we've known their names all along though, Adam and Eve, lol. So is that how we will refer to them now?

I was almost on board with the "smokey was locke all along" theory. figguring locke died in the crash and smokey took his form immediately. but the way he reacts when he wiggles his toes and when he actually does get off the island and all the other inconsistancies... I just don't see it.

I also dont think "adam" is meant to be portrayed as pure evil now. He's just a misled confused and angry boy. It's hard to hate him for what he's been through. same for jacob too. Of course later when it comes to killing people, to us it's considered wrong. But does he know any better? he's almost like a savage. and all he was ever taught was lies. when we see animals killing in the wild, we understand it's their nature. so how can we judge Adam? He thinks he's killing to survive. Then again, I don't think he's first handedly killed anyone. it's the loophole.

well, smokey has killed. hmmm. i dunno. nevermind.

[soreal]

Another sign that Locke hasn't been MIB all along is when Ben shoots Locke, we see the the bullet go through. If it was MIB, the bullet wouldn't affect him.

[jacksloststepkid]

So, my impressions:

1. Not satisfied with the Adam & Eve reveal. Ok, so the black and white stones represent the "good" and "bad" from the beginning, but honestly I don't see how this really shows that this was all planned out from the very beginning of the show. Feels a lot like a cop out to me. Also, the whole part where Jack says how old the skeletons are - that really doesn't match up...

2. I don't have as big a problem with the "light" cave. I guess we always knew there was some special source of energy that had magnetic properties, but also seemed to tie into some sort of fundamental world wide energy network - taking that a bit further and tying it into the souls of people didn't seem like that much further than where we were.

3. No name for MIB - I bet it still still yet to come.

4. Jacob and brother - lots of similarities to Jacob and Esau still, or maybe Isaac and Ishmael. The first brother who was going to get the inheritance ends up losing it to the younger brother.

I did miss the initial 3-4 minutes though, prior to the birth. Did the fake mother do anything to bring the pregnant women to her? Any reference to writing names or a list?

Also, not sure where I heard it, but I think this was 23 AD.

JLSK

[Uncle Igmar]

I'm with you - the Adam and Eve reveal was a bit anti-climactic - especially since Jack made the point when the bodies were found to say that the clothes on the bodies were about 50 years old. If the bodies had been laying in that cave for almost 2000 years I would think the clothes would be a lot more deteriorated when Jack and Kate came along - as in like they were pretty much gone (unless clothes don't age very fast - like the people) - I mean yeah they were in a cave - but they still would have been subject to the elements to a certain extent. I can't imagine anything lasting that long.

Interesting parallel between "The Woman" with Claudia and Rousseau and Claire.

I guess we're to assume that "The Light" and Old Smokey both existed in that cave/hole that The Woman told Jacob he could never go in to - more or less balancing each other and the balance was broken when Blackie the Nameless was sent on down there by Jacob.

Kind of interesting that Smokey became subject to the rules that The Woman laid out as far as Jacob and Blackie not being able to kill each other - since - unless we're told otherwise at some point - Smokey existed before Blackie went down the whole - but then again maybe Smokey was created by Blackie's going down the hole. . . . . . . hmmmmmm

So who eventually did put the Donkey wheel together? Smokey in the guise of Blackie? Jacob?

And The Woman killed all of "The Original Others" after she knocked Blackie out?

As always - more questions . . . . . . .

[jasonrhodes]

@jlsk no, the pregnant lady showed up in the water, washed ashore, limped into the forest to find fresh water, and Allison Janney appeared and said, "Come with me." That was about it.

Also, the light in that cave is basically the Force, right? A balance of good and evil, light and darkness. Still no word on why going down there would be a fate worse than death. I mean, obviously when NoName McGee goes down there, the black smoke shoots out and his body is found. If that counts as an explanation, I was sorely misled.

@uncle Igmar, I echo every one of your questions. I liked the episode, but it's all about CONTEXT. This episode 10 weeks ago would have been great, but now we're in a different place and I just don't see how it works.

If Lost really is all about the characters, they've left too many questions open for fans to be able to focus on the character stories they want people to focus on so badly. It's... not working.

[spinaltumor]

I've become more ok with what the cave light represents, but I still don't like that there's a random magical cave that no one's noticed.

The lighthouse was the same way, but that just seemed like a tool Jacob used. This cave is apparently the reason for everything.

I would have preferred it be a well or something. Making it a connection to the donkey wheel instantly.

[faradaystie]

Did anyone else expect to see the 4-toed foot(statue)? I was a bit surprised that old-mama didn't live in it like jake did. I also got the feeling of her as a shaman or witch/healer....where did SHE come from, anyway? I was not real impressed with this epi...probably because of the ?'s lead to more ?'s...isn't that what life is all about??
Actually, I'm hoping the end will feature Faraday answering everything in scientific terms, which will totally confuse most of us!!!

[Indy Andy]

I predict Desmond has to go down the magical light cave by influence of Widmore in the finale.

[spinaltumor]

Good prediction, Indy.

I didn't expect to see the statue. I imagine that was built after the events of Across the Sea.

[faradaystie]

We'll probably never know who built the statue...especially since all of the early 'others' are dead. I definitely would like to know the origin of 'mother' and Claudia...and the statue..and...and...and...no way!!!!

[Kansas Mike]

May 11, 2010 22:18:33 GMT -5 blop said:

I thought it was fantastic. I'm not sure why some people are still asking for MIB's name... we saw this episode that he doesn't have a name!!! His mother didn't name him, she was killed, and the two brothers had no need for another name to give MIB. They were the only ones. Jacob was Jacob, brother was MIB.

Also, jason, we DID find out who MIB is. We found out how he become smoke. He doesn't NEED to take other bodies, he can. I think we'll still get the answer to why the dead can be seen by some. The mom killed the villagers because they were creating the donkey wheel, and she didn't want anyone to leave.

We don't know who the mother is, or what exactly this light is, but those are things I personally would be fine as left unanswered. I think we'll still get more on this 'light' though. I'm sure it will play in heavily to the finale, and I think Widmore has some idea about it.

I thought overall it was extremely well done, and very interesting. The Adam and Eve reveal was great. The reason it shows they had a plan, is because they had the black and white stones - right from the beginning they knew these two people were going to represent the two sides - the mom, who's job was taken over by Jacob, and MIB.

We also can presume that the 'game' that MIB and Jacob made came up in the coming years. MIB hinted at this, saying "one day you can make a game and give it your own rules".

We found out, according to the mom, the light seems to be a part of every human, keeping them alive. A soul per say. MIB was left with only his 'soul' and not his body, hence him telling Kate that his body was taken away from him.

Actually, I'm just thinking now, and I think I know how the Smoke Monster takes the bodies of others. He now has some or all of that light in him, and so he can put his own 'soul' into those bodies. This also might relate to how he 'scans' people. Maybe he can kinda access their 'soul' and discover everything about them.

And here's why I think Jacob won't let Smokey leave. Because maybe Smokey DID take all the light. So now he contains the light. If he were to leave, it would extinguish the light and everyone would die or something to that effect.


One more thing I think is interesting: I wondered right away when we saw the light, if Locke saw this. Remember "I looked into the eye of the island, and what I saw was beautiful". What if it wasn't the smoke monster at all that he was talking about? What if he actually discovered the little cave with the light, which is very symbolic of an 'eye of the island'. This would be pretty incredible, and I think that for sure would show they knew where they were heading right from the start.
So I think that Locke found that light way back in the first few episodes, after seeing Smokey (maybe he ran away and stumbled into it, maybe Smokey showed it to him). Then he left awestruck but could never find it again. That's why he was always looking for something, always had faith in the island.

I agree with you blop. It was a very good episode. I am still confused...a lot, but at least we know now who the ADAM and EVE were, although I still don't see a connection between them and the characters on this show.

Question. If Jacob's brother died, who is the smoke monster or is that just his soul? Also we still don't know if the four-toed statue was built before Jacob's mom came to the island or after.

[spinaltumor]

I don't expect an answer to the statue question, nor do I need one.

My guess is simply that over time many cultures have come to the Island, built special things, and then all died off. Whoever built the temple came before any Egyptians. And the Egyptian hieroglyphics depicted Smokey. But when they came isn't really important. It'd be cool to know, but it isn't necessary.

I'm more interested in the cabin than the statue, myself.

[Indy Andy]

Yes the Cabin... and Jacob's ashes scattered around it! and the dude in the 'empty' chair when Ben and Locke were at said cabin.