dgibbons316
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Post by dgibbons316 on Mar 13, 2010 2:43:43 GMT -5
Now, about Lost, why is Ellen on American Idol?
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Post by julerfan on Mar 13, 2010 12:33:46 GMT -5
American Idol, is that show still on  |
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Post by cucumberjones on Mar 14, 2010 0:37:12 GMT -5
I just re-watched tonight after listening to the Lost podcasts and there's a few things that caught my eye.
1. This quote by off-island Locke: "It just sounds like you care about this place. And if the man in charge doesn't, then maybe it's time for a change." Maybe that's what we're seeing on-island? I wouldn't be quick to jump to that conclusion, but that line sounded like it was foreshadowing some kind of reveal.
2. I'm certain this has been mentioned before, but I don't recall seeing it personally. What if the Black Rock was a prisoner ship as opposed to a slave ship, and Alpert was a former prisoner?
3. What if, in the season finale, it is revealed that the flashsideways are not at all real? I'm sure they are going to end up being THE reality, but what if it's revealed that this "alternate reality" is actually smokey showing the island people what could have been if Jacob hadn't interfered with their lives. I'm sure this theory isn't at all true (and I'm hoping it's not as well) but it was just an interesting thought I had.
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 14, 2010 2:33:01 GMT -5
The reason Darlton don't call the sideways "alternate" is because we're supposed to take them as existing in an actual parallel timeline. So they couldn't be a dream or vision or whatever.
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Post by corrwill on Mar 14, 2010 2:35:32 GMT -5
WOW.. Alpert: What ever Jacob said to do, don't. Jack: What are you going to do? Alpert: Die. ... so Jacob is evil.. ... so does Locke's statement about seeing Richard out of chains really mean Jacob was holding him hostage? (possibly in addition to whatever happened on the Black Rock.) SO many people are taking this line too literal. When I heard it I was kinda thinking that Richard was pissed at Jacob at the time, which is why he said those words. He trusted him for years...he was just mad cause he died before telling him his purpose. Yeah I would be mad too. |
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Post by cucumberjones on Mar 14, 2010 12:42:52 GMT -5
The reason Darlton don't call the sideways "alternate" is because we're supposed to take them as existing in an actual parallel timeline. So they couldn't be a dream or vision or whatever. Hey, I said it wasn't plausible, I just thought it was an interesting idea if they would have gone that route. I know they won't. |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 19:58:17 GMT -5
WOW.. Alpert: What ever Jacob said to do, don't. Jack: What are you going to do? Alpert: Die. ... so Jacob is evil.. evil? I thought that was just the set-up to what was later revealed and resolved--Richard thought it was all for nothing, but Jack restored his faith, thanks to what Jacob had him see thanks to Hurley |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 19:59:31 GMT -5
Hydra Island, eh? Leaving from there? On a certain mostly intact airplane, landed by the best pilot ever? f**k, I forgot about that. I just figured they'd be leaving on the sub. |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:01:45 GMT -5
Now, about Lost, why is Ellen on American Idol? because in post-sexist post-racist America gays are the new underclass to warrant token representation?] |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:08:17 GMT -5
Here's something to discuss: MIL told Ben that someone still had to look after the Island when he and everyone else left. Do you think this is the truth or was it a lie to manipulate Ben? If it was the truth, do you really think MIL meant it when he said he thought Ben was the perfect choice? I reckon it's a lie, since we're told later that he felt as though the island was really all he had--MIL was restoring some sense that the island is important and wants him (which given MILs cave convo with Sawyer, doesn't seem to be a genuine belief). |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:16:26 GMT -5
Thus far I feel like we have little reason to doubt the Smokey's honesty to a point. It seems like he always keeps his word, even when he threatens to destroy things/people/temples/Jacob and so on. The only dishonest thing I can think of off the top of my head if the 'they have your baby Clair'. A fabrication which we never hear him actually say. Jacob and MIB have a fine tradition here of telling the truth (basically) but leaving out important facts. Going with that trajectory we can assume MIB is telling the truth to Ben but maybe after he leaves the island will be a different place. Maybe sunk. Maybe blown up. Who knows. Kind of like a con man selling you a watch that breaks after a day or two. He told the truth, the watch ticks, but it isn't water proof. but it also looks like MIL/Man-in-Christian is the reason Locke died *, meaning that what Locke was told was true but contrived--he brings the freighter, making it necessary to move the island, so that he can use Locke's form...and deliver's Locke right into the hands of Widmore. So perhaps MIL+Widmore are working together, the freighter was phase one in MILs escape plan (acquire a host) (phase two, Widmore brings the means of departure--the sub). all I can say is 'bloody good writing'--is one good one evil, if so who, or is it all just a game, ...it's possible to argue for any one of them. edit: *although Locke died and returned thanks to Ben... gives credence to the 'Jacob/MIL same person' view, consonant with everything we've seen from Ben/Sawyer, the con men--you portray yourself in two different ways to different people (Widmore vs. Ben, but both Widmore and Ben help in creating the whole Man-in-Locke situation), since you can't manipulate everyone in the same way, and this way you can set people up against each other to achieve your ends. It almost invokes conspiratorial thinking--creating a fictional enemy in order to trick people into doing things for you they otherwise wouldn't. |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:32:47 GMT -5
The reason Darlton don't call the sideways "alternate" is because we're supposed to take them as existing in an actual parallel timeline. So they couldn't be a dream or vision or whatever. 'alternate' is a seriously vague word. d'ya think maybe what it's showing us is related to the 'scales' talk--we see that Linus wasn't actually so bad, just nudged down the wrong path by the island, where as Sayid clearly is still 'that man' (the torturer) that Dogan's test figured he was; that we're not being shown a conclusion, a world that will become real, or that is real, but the one that would have been (it's not an alternate reality, it's a complete fiction), in order to be told something about the character of the characters, not because the world itself an those lives are important (much like the flashbacks from the start told us things important to the plot in the episode or to character exposition, not things that merely happen to be realities). |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:37:00 GMT -5
Also, MIL told Sawyer the Island needing a protector was crap. although it seems to need protection from sinking, so maybe all he means by not needing to be protected is 'so what if it sinks, it's all just a game'. but if that's the case, why would Jacob spend so much time watching and recruiting people? it doesn't look like he's mortal, and it does look like without people coming to the island, Jacob didn't have much to fear from MIL, so if he doesn't have some important agenda, his actions don't seem to make sense. |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:47:15 GMT -5
I figured Widmore was heading to the dock outside New Otherton. Although granted that's not a very interesting spot.... well, otherton is a good place to be if you want to summon a smoke monster... |
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Post by schopenhauer on Mar 24, 2010 20:50:41 GMT -5
The freighter came to the island to kill Ben on Widmores orders we could clearly see Ben on the beach, so what's he here this time for? a. we only see Widmore told 'there are 'people' on the beach', not which people, so we can't say he isn't concerned with Ben. b. he's a very patient man, even if he saw Ben, it's not like he'd fly into a rage rather than proceeding with whatever plan he has. |
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