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Post by broncojeff on May 27, 2010 10:30:35 GMT -5
I agree... I think there are a lot of gems hidden in the FS stories we saw this season that hint at what was going to happen. How about Jack asking about when his appendix was removed? He couldn't remember it & even his mother was surprised that he couldn't remember. Have to rewatch ep1, but I wonder if that scar he is looking at asking about his appendix is the one from which he died from.... If so, what a great tie in from episode 1. JLSK JLSK I think you are onto something there... I bet it is from the knife wound. |
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Post by cucumberjones on May 27, 2010 14:15:23 GMT -5
I agree... I think there are a lot of gems hidden in the FS stories we saw this season that hint at what was going to happen. How about Jack asking about when his appendix was removed? He couldn't remember it & even his mother was surprised that he couldn't remember. Have to rewatch ep1, but I wonder if that scar he is looking at asking about his appendix is the one from which he died from.... If so, what a great tie in from episode 1. JLSK I can say, without watching LA X again, that it is indeed from the knife wound. As I was watching the finale, when it was revealed what his neck wound was, I also assumed this scar was from Locke's knife. |
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Post by witheyesclosed on May 27, 2010 21:16:59 GMT -5
When I saw the church i thought I was gonna be right about my last theory I posted in that thread. I was like hey it's the lamp post and Eloise and chang are gonna help get them back. But then I heard the sorrys and the different room (all the religious things) and silence, and then I just thought: he's dead. Still was great.
What I liked the most is that, storytelling wise, Jack accepted death before he died on the island.
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Post by broncojeff on May 27, 2010 21:57:18 GMT -5
Does anyone think that the reason why Ben didn't enter the church is b/c the others (other than Locke) wouldn't have been able to "let go" like Locke did? Hurley was cool with Ben b/c it is assumed they spent a few hundred or thousand years together on the island... but most of the others probably wouldn't have been.
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Post by spinaltumor on May 27, 2010 23:15:30 GMT -5
I think Ben chose not to go in because he himself was not ready to let go. He had yet to forgive himself and to awaken with those he really needed to atone to...Alex and Danielle.
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Post by cucumberjones on May 28, 2010 12:21:51 GMT -5
I think Ben chose not to go in because he himself was not ready to let go. He had yet to forgive himself and to awaken with those he really needed to atone to...Alex and Danielle. I completely agree with both of those reasonings. And I'd also like to add that perhaps he didn't want to "go" with this group of people. I'm sure he and Hurley were good friends, but he wasn't buddy-buddy with anyone else in that group. |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:08:30 GMT -5
That was a fitting ending. I'm very happy with it. Like, no answers revealed, but still. A fitting ending to the best show ever on television. well, they revealed what the flash sideways was (even though it makes no sense to me right now why they were acting like it was some awesome important mission to get everybody to realize they're actually just dead.) |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:09:19 GMT -5
I just wish we wouldve gotten a difinitive answer to what the smoke monster is. we can theorize all we want, but we will never truly know. looks like we'll need a Lost prequel, 'cos who put the stones there in the first place? |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:11:53 GMT -5
Wow, it mind boggling, really. I think it is a fitting end to the show. Although many questions were left unanswered, I still think that the ending was amazing. PS I guess they couldn't get Michael, Walt, and Mr. Eko. Also, what about Richard? maybe because those people weren't around that long, it didn't really matter? I mean, that lot all came together so they could move on from the delusion that they were still enjoying their normal lives because that time they spent on the island was meaningful to them. But Michael and Walt left pretty early, and so did Eko, and Richard was probably in a delusional 18th century with his wife. |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:15:22 GMT -5
Can I just say I thought it was terrible?  I spent 6 years of my life dedicated to this show, never missed an original airing, listened to three podcasts, re-watched over and over, and right now, I feel like I've wasted my time. I don't even GET the end! I'm a bit disappointed that the show was so much of a red herring, that the mythology remains unknown, so I feel kinda cheated for that, but the first 2 hours of the finale were great, as it was at least a pay off for the character side of things. |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:31:20 GMT -5
I will say that i loved the episode until the last 10min. The revelation that The Sideways was The Afterlife was not so great to me. Why bother giving them different lives in the Sideways? What was the point of giving Jack a son, etc? Everything in The Sideways is pointless, until you realize that you're dead. But why bother hiding that you're dead? Why not just tell you right away so you can enjoy your "Happily Ever After" ?? But its really a fake "happily ever after" (until you realize you're dead) and didn't even tie into anything on The Island (like unLocke promising you your wildest dreams). I think alot of us knew (and accepted) all along that The Sideways was AFTER The Island, but invalidating The Sideways by just realizing your old Island Personality really makes it pointless for me. So, the bottom line is that we suppress your main memories/personality until at some point (if you're lucky) you connect with someone that brings back those memories and you realize your Sideways life is all false? when you get paid for every season you can squeeze out of a show, nothing is pointless Locke's ability to walk, Walt's powers, the hatch, the others, Dharma, the smoke monster, the coming war, saving the island... it was just one big disappointment after another, either failing to explain anything or it simply leading nowhere. people with powers for no reason in a world that isn't explained, doing things that don't matter...sounds like Heroes, but at least this didn't suck while it lasted. |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:46:47 GMT -5
Oh and folks, lets not lose sight of several accomplices to the madness of the so called “mysteries” and the fanaticism they caused: Verizon, Sprite, especially the ABC network – including ABC.com, and any others that used special scene clips and exclusive content in their product or service advertisements. The broken Dharma film clips; the Dharma website; the Comic-Con skits; and other various methods to keep our attention whenever the actual show was not on the air feeding the hunger to solve this “mystery” that they sold us on the idea that it was there but there was no “mystery” per se. well...there are mysteries, it's just that the writers never had any intention of ending the mystery, as they've shown us that they had never imagined/created any answer to them in the first place (unless the meaningless regress counts--'what's the hatch? dharma. what's dharma? scientists. what're the scientists doing? studying. studying what? this special island. what is this island? - no answer to the most basic question of the show's mythology. they're willing to give us a spiritual/religious ending for their lives, but not to offer anything of that nature to explain that island on which this most important part of their lives was spent, why?) |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 7:56:36 GMT -5
I loved this episode! While I was a little disappointed in the beginning that they were not "answering" more things. While all is said and done I like the way they went with it. They left A LOT up to the audience to decide and I think this is what has always made the show GREAT! it might have been great during the series, but to see in the end that they had no vision, is quite a disappointment. it's not like they left holes for the audience to fill in for themselves, they left the series of important factors so unexplained that there's really nothing the audience can do except try to defend the writers, making up stories to the effect 'I bet this is what the writers were thinking', 'I bet ya couldn't give birth on the island because...', 'I bet Dharma had people filing reports to be dumped in the middle of nowhere because...', 'I bet they couldn't program a computer to execute a function every 108 minutes because...', etc., based on a complete lack of leads from the show such that really it's just a worthless endeavor. I never imagined my forum namesake would become so relevant. this is how I feel about the series right now... "In early youth, as we contemplate our coming life, we are like children in a theatre before the curtain is raised, sitting there in high spirits and eagerly waiting for the play to begin. It is a blessing that we do not know what is really going to happen. ...you may look upon life as an unprofitable episode, disturbing the blessed calm of non-existence. And, in any case, even though things have gone with you tolerably well, the longer you live the more clearly you will feel that, on the whole, life is a disappointment, nay, a cheat." - Arthur Schopenhauer, Studies in Pessimism |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 8:09:11 GMT -5
I don't suppose we'll ever really know these answers or a million others - I guess that's why we loved the show so much - because it wasn't handed to us on a plate. it's easy to love the tease when you think you'll actually get satisfaction in the end. I don't mind 'having to work for it' to get laid, rather than having it 'handed to me on a plate', but if I had to work for it for six years only to be dumped and told 'sorry, I actually never planned on giving you anything in the first place', I would mind...to say the least. |
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Post by schopenhauer on May 29, 2010 8:28:20 GMT -5
I contend that if you didn't like the finale because you didn't get all the answers you wanted, then you never got the show in the first place. It was all about the characters, not the questions. I'd contend that you never heard the promises that were offered. imagine a version of Stargate SG1 where for 6 years they scout out candidates to join the SGU, with the promise of this mysterious technology and a great secret purpose they're a part of, but in the end they never actually did anything, 'because it was all about the characters'. Stargate was about _both_ the characters and the mythical world they were set in, that's good sci-fi. If, as a writer, you care only about characters, then talk you can easily write Grey's Anatomy or The O.C., rather than d!ck people around with a universe for them to care about, don't even waste your time straining your impoverished imagination coming up with hollow promises to trick people into seeing what happens with your characters, just give them an honest story that stands or falls by its own merit. If it was "all" (not just chiefly) about the characters, then don't do a half-assed job creating a mythical facade of a world to put the characters in. The End was It was incredibly moving, an excellent conclusion that left you with plenty of stuff to mull over. it was moving, but there's nothing to mull over--the writers had 7 years and even their mulling didn't result in anything worth saying, by the admission of the silence they've left us with. perhaps this is the best ending--I was satisfied with the character reunions, and I no longer give a fnck about any of the vacuous crap that the whole basis of the show has turned out to be. At least I'm not longing for anything more. |
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I spent 6 years of my life dedicated to this show, never missed an original airing, listened to three podcasts, re-watched over and over, and right now, I feel like I've wasted my time. I don't even GET the end!