"Happily Ever After" Disc Ep 6x11

[faradaystie]

Apr 8, 2010 8:00:10 GMT -5 Uncle Igmar said:

This may have been asked before in this thread.

I know chauffeurs (however you spell that) are pretty resourceful - but why - if you're the right hand man for the most powerful man in LA - are you asking a chauffeur - who you just met - to get you a flight manifest.

Just wondering.

This happened after Dez was zapped, met Penny&back again; so I think he's starting to connect it all (vaguely). Therefore he may be starting to NOT trust Charles so much anymore. Plus it's good to see Minkowski again AND have his wits about him! ;D

[jabberwocky]

So...what if Charles & Eloise are experiencing a "Groundhog Day" effect and their lives start over and over, leaving them to make choices that result in different outcomes? Much like Bill Murray's character, they practically can have anything that they want, except love...
As much as C&E try to change their realities to be "happily ever after," the inherent bonds that the losties share in their alt-selves are too strong for the Widmores to control and if Desmond strays from his alternate reality and becomes too curious, he could possibly "jump" to the island timeline somehow and change the "X timeline" to something else. Eloise doesn't want Desmond to screw things up. He's "not ready" because he isn't yet aware of the consequences that his revelations might bring about to the 815 passengers and the rest of the world.

Let's see if Desmond can make the right choices...they could lead to the "progress" that Jacob spoke of.


Meanwhile, Charles needs to keep MIB on the island to make his "X timeline" possible, so Eloise brings all of the candidates back to the island, hoping that one of them will stay to replace Jacob. This keeps MIB on the island and out of the way.

[LockeRulez]

Could this (proposed timeloop) make Charles & Eloise to be Adam & Eve? Has anyone ever proposed this possibility?

... either how they started the loop.. or how it ends, but their skeletons remain during the looping.

I don't feel they've been important enough characters for this, but it is an interesting theory.

[spinaltumor]

I've heard Widmore and Eloise as Adam and Eve somewhere around here before, I think. But I'm too lazy to look right now...

[LockeRulez]

Well yeah, i'm sure every possibility has been proposed. but this may lead some credence to it, if somehow related to the timeloop for which Eloise and Charles seem to have intimate knowledge.

[spinaltumor]

I'm not sure Widmore knows as much as Eloise. Seems odd that his attitude towards Desmond would be such an opposite depending on the timeline.

But he could just be following Eloise's instructions, perhaps?

[jabberwocky]

It just seems to me that Charles and Eloise are trying to take advantage of the Jacob vs. MIB struggle by altering the outcome to benefit themselves. Sure, Charles seems oblivious and less diabolical when we see him with Desmond, but he doesn't know that Desmond has peered into his "other life," so Charles just plays along happily.

[secondbreath]

What's up with Locke needing to drink water? And the jungle kid seems to be making Locke rush...almost frantically as if time was against him.

Personally, I think Locke is becoming more human and less "Smokey" as time passes... some evidence for this is that he threw Desmond down the well in his human form, he had to cut Desmond's bonds (instead of magically unlocking them, like he did with Ben's chain)... and WTF is up with carving the stick? Another Jesus stick perhaps?

But the real evidence is that the jungle kid is now taunting Locke and seems to be enjoying his frustration.

What do you guys think?

[spinaltumor]

Interesting about the water. It makes me think of in The Incident when Jacob offers fish to MIB, and he declines saying he already ate.

So once upon a time he apparently ate (unless it was another inside joke. Hardihar?), and then he didn't need to (his body trapped in a cabin doesn't need food...?), and now that he's stuck as Locke he needs to drink and such again. He also ate that fruit on the beach with the Ajira people, remember?


Someone who called into the podcast mentioned Sayid becoming a new Smokey. Jay and Jack dismissed it because no one's said anything about Smokey needing a replacement...but if he does, maybe Sayid is descending into Smokeydom as MIL becomes more and more human.