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Post by benjaminspector on Apr 7, 2010 19:59:05 GMT -5
The Worst Crackpot Theory in all the Universes
Jacob is cohabiting Hurley's body in the sideway flash Universe.
In that Universe, Hurley is not dead, nor is Jacob controlling his thoughts or actions. It's a similar situation as when Spock's soul cohabited McCoys' body after Spock died in one of the Star Trek Movies.
Hurley's easy going emotional cool and his big heart is still in control of his actions in the flash sideways Universe, but is now supplemented
by Jacob's self confidence and organizational skills. At some point Jacob will come forward in the sideways Universe to help the "good guys"
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Post by markedman on Apr 7, 2010 20:58:08 GMT -5
So, just watched the episode. Question: Is Desmond getting the manifest to show: 1) Charlie that Claire is on it 2) Best buddy Widmore that ? is on it 3) Kidnapping Widmore that ? is on it 4) Some other "Him" entirely  |
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Post by lostmonkey on Apr 7, 2010 21:44:33 GMT -5
I think he's getting the manifest with the idea of being able to show all the folks on the plane (he's already realized that he knows where Charlie and Jack are) that there is another layer that they are missing - Charlie made him a believer and Desmond is going to see if the other folks can justify this new realization that he has.
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Post by spinaltumor on Apr 7, 2010 21:44:52 GMT -5
Desmond shouldn't know Claire was who Charlie was referring to.
I thought Desmond's angle was to do for everyone on the manifest what Charlie did for him. Show them all a glimpse of the other world. How he would know the people on Flight 815 would be interested to know this? I haven't a clue. But he said "show THEM." That suggests showing multiple people.
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Post by LockeRulez on Apr 7, 2010 22:14:02 GMT -5
WOW... i believe this has to confirm my theory that we saw The Sideways before in The Constant and Flashes Before Your Eyes, and that indeed Desmond can cross between them. I can't wait to learn more! I totally don't agree this is true. If this was true then Desmond would not have been with Penny in his flashback to the past where he wakes up with red paint all over him. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying? That Desmond's trip when he turned the failsafe was to the sideways timeline? you are right, i wasn't thinking straight, as i was still coming down from my LOST high when i wrote this. i do have to think this through, and see what this means for The Constant and Flashes, and where we saw Dez travel to before. |
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Post by markedman on Apr 8, 2010 5:51:19 GMT -5
Desmond shouldn't know Claire was who Charlie was referring to. ... But he said "show THEM." That suggests showing multiple people. Good point about Claire. I listened again and heard "Him" not "Them" but I don't have subtitles. Can someone with a broadcast recording check the closed captioning? |
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Post by derrick2020 on Apr 8, 2010 7:25:14 GMT -5
I think that the ATL will show the losties what their lives would be like if Destiny aka Jacob wasn’t their to push them towards….. well their destiny. I almost feel like this is what FLocke wants the on island lostied to think will be their lives if he gets off the island. Kind of a what do you want more than anything and here it is albeit not perfect.
Take a look at Desmond. Throughout his original timeline his wish was to have Widmore’s approval in the ATL he has it. Jack wants to be able to let go of his father. Hurley doesn’t want to be cursed. Claire wants her bay-bee. Sayid wants Nadia to be alive. I think that Sawyer feels guilty about all the people he conned and wished he would have taken the other path (he figured at one point in his life he would either become a cop or a criminal). Locke wanted to be able to forgive his father and be with Helen. (Yes I’m including Locke in with this)
As it pertains to Kate, Sun and Jin I’m not sure about yet.
This ATL will come to a head at a pre-determined date and time. And at that time all of the losties will become completely aware of their ATL and have to make a choice.
The ones that had the most exposure to Electro-magnetivity are throwing a kink in everything by having flashes of their real time-line. Desmond, Charlie, and Locke were all in the hatch when the failsafe was flipped. Faraday did all of the testing . These 4 (I think Locke is the next to have flashes or maybe he has already had them) As it pertains to the other Losties they will become aware but they would have at the normal time. Desmond will throw a kink in everything and help speed it along.
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Post by derrick2020 on Apr 8, 2010 7:41:43 GMT -5
One other thought that I had.... The way that Desmond is flashing between both time-lines seems backwards from The Constant flashes. In The Constant When he would jump from the island to the Past he was doing some task and he would just jump in the body, but when he would come back to the island he had fainted and would wake up from his trip.
It is backwards here.... When he jumped back to the ATL he had fainted and woke back up. We'll see next week when he jumps back to the island if he faints there too or if he jumps back to him walking in the jungle.
Whats odd if he needs to find his constant in the ATL (because of the fainting) why wouldn't he have found it. He found Penny then fainted.
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 8, 2010 8:00:10 GMT -5
This may have been asked before in this thread.
I know chauffeurs (however you spell that) are pretty resourceful - but why - if you're the right hand man for the most powerful man in LA - are you asking a chauffeur - who you just met - to get you a flight manifest.
Just wondering.
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 8, 2010 8:55:09 GMT -5
I totally don't agree this is true. If this was true then Desmond would not have been with Penny in his flashback to the past where he wakes up with red paint all over him. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying? That Desmond's trip when he turned the failsafe was to the sideways timeline? you are right, i wasn't thinking straight, as i was still coming down from my LOST high when i wrote this. i do have to think this through, and see what this means for The Constant and Flashes, and where we saw Dez travel to before.
In Desmond's personal time line - in 2004/2005 when he was on the freigter ("The Constant") - he was closer in time to the events in his past that were portrayed there (red paint, engagement ring and all of that.
Now that we're appoximately 3 years further down Desmond's personal time line - he is closer to whatever the cause of the change in the LOSTies pasts is - so he is popping into a past that is the result of that happening.
I do actually have a picture of this in my head - just can't articulate it much better than this.
The past that we saw in "The Constant" was Desmond's pre-change past - the past in "Happily Ever After" is his post-change past (kind of an obvious re-stating of what I just said)
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Post by derrick2020 on Apr 8, 2010 8:58:37 GMT -5
I wonder if he realizes that Elloise knows something she, does Charles Widmore know something and will be unwilling to help so he needs to go it alone with Minkowski as his lackey.
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Post by vicious590 on Apr 8, 2010 9:59:54 GMT -5
well i was watching Donnie Darko and you the watcher realize that he has the chance to change the furture but at the price for his life. Everything that happens in his town is because of Donnie. Now with Desmond he is in Donnie's shoes in this episode he realizes that there is another reality and wants to persue finding everyone. now does Desmond have to die because he is messing around with the furture and time?
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Apr 8, 2010 20:47:06 GMT -5
I don't quite get how the bomb going off made duplicates of Widmore, Eloise, etc? Jack and the others present at the time of the bomb going off I can get. But uh...? well we know that Eloise was instramental is getting Jack and the others back onto ajira. That Eloise is a different one than the one in the sideways. So you had to have everything we've seen happen in order to get to the point where the H bomb is set off. This includes Eloise and Widmore existing in the reality we first met them in. JLSk |
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Post by omacolt on Apr 9, 2010 0:19:05 GMT -5
I am stuck on Widmore's line if Charlie doesn't make it to Eloise's charity event she will "Destroy Me."
Makes you wonder about the relationship between Charles and Eloise in the sideways reality.
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Post by derrick2020 on Apr 9, 2010 8:57:28 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of wondered why they would be together in the ATL and not in the Real Time-Line. I started wondering about what the differences would be. In the ATL the island apparently sunk while Widmore and Hawking were still in charge Thus they were/are still technically the leader of the others. The off island child of Charles and ? that is Penny is still born but they are together non the less which makes their main child Daniel a Widmore not a Farraday.
On the Real Time-Line I am guessing that because they were on the island and when Widmore got booted off the island I don’t remember seeing Eloise there. I wonder if Widmore booted her off the island first which would cause her to take Daniel with her and to give him a last name to distance him from Charles. He then has more of an attachment to Penny since it is a child that he had with the mysterious woman.
I feel like they both know what is going on but in the true nature of the others they won’t tell people the information they almost have to figure it out for themselves, and only when they start to stray is when they push them back to the right path….or they kill them.
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