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Post by jacksloststepkid on Apr 6, 2010 20:39:56 GMT -5
Tonight, a new chapter in the season commences.
Carlton Cuse - Twitter
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Apr 6, 2010 21:03:47 GMT -5
Just a personal theory - uninformed by any spoilers. I think that on the island Desmond has the ability to see the future just like he did the last time he was there before leaving and getting sick.
Widmore is bringing him back so he has the advantage through Desmond to beat MIB.
JLSK
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Post by spinaltumor on Apr 6, 2010 21:26:34 GMT -5
Yay Desmond~
Some of the dialogue and conversations in this episode were a little awkward to me, to be honest. But I can't help but like a Desmond episode.
It's weird though. Usually as an episode ends, you can tell what will more or less happen next. But I have no real clue what Island Desmond is planning on doing. He seems oddly zen. Dare I say, Jacob-like?
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Post by faradaystie on Apr 6, 2010 21:34:34 GMT -5
This was such an awesome episode! Desmond kept getting all the clues and tying it together. And Faraday not knowing Physics?--priceless! The show is back! Can't wait for next week and now I don't want it to end. Eloise? with Widmore? A blue-eyed redhead Daniel just met? Felt the time flew by, but not sure I could've taken much more. Yes!!!!
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Post by spinaltumor on Apr 6, 2010 21:38:51 GMT -5
Eloise in the sideways seemed very...aware, yes?
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Post by LockeRulez on Apr 6, 2010 21:41:19 GMT -5
WOW... i believe this has to confirm my theory that we saw The Sideways before in The Constant and Flashes Before Your Eyes, and that indeed Desmond can cross between them. I can't wait to learn more!
but yes, it is really unclear as to what exactly happened to Desmond between the 2 timelines. Its implied he travelled directly to the Sideways and that he slowly gained recognition of his original timeline. yet when he returned to The Island he seemed to know much more than just what Charlie/Eloise/Daniel told him. And then whichever Dez was left behind in The Sideways was still talking to Penny and seemed to remember everything. And then he asked for the 815 list. Did he ever really cross between Timelines, or just get visions from the other timeline? For now, I'll say he did cross between the timelines, but this could certainly be fancy editing.
However, i do propose that Desmond did not return back to The Island immediately when Penny shook his hand. He will continue in the Sideways, learns alot more about what's going on, visits the 815'ers, convinces them they need to go back (or something else), and then eventually returns himself to The Island to wake up where we saw him tell Widmore he's ready to get started. So why did he feint with Penny?
So what is up with Sideways Eloise, yet again seeming to know what's "supposed to happen"...
And what is up with Widmore telling Desmond he will need to make a sacrifice? Does he somehow know about The Sideways. Especially if Dez is the only one alive that he knows of that can do this. How does he know? Or is he expecting Dez to do something completely unrelated?
Also, its clearly implied yet again tonight that The Sideways are some sort of "Happily Ever After" where everyone gets what they want.
Yet maybe Eloise implies its possibly not real, and Dez shouldn't fight it. like she knows the reason they're there, and its not their real lives.
and again we saw Dan's journal, specifically showing "Imaginary Time"...
After tonight, there's almost no doubt left in my mind that this is NOT an epilogue. Desmond, Charlie, Daniel, and Eloise clearly know about our original timeline, and will start working to "set things right" and somehow get back to it.
And Desmond is the bridge between the 2 timelines that will set things right in both.
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Post by spinaltumor on Apr 6, 2010 21:49:49 GMT -5
Why would Daniel and Charlie try to get back to an Island timeline in which they're dead along with their great loves and everyone there kind of hates life?
Why would anyone actually choose the Island over the Happily Ever After?
Desmond saw Charlie dying with the "Not Penny's Boat." This could just as easily be a memory from his subconscious making the possibility of the sideways epilogue still plausible.
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Post by LockeRulez on Apr 6, 2010 21:53:42 GMT -5
Also, i'm gonna put out a crackpot theory that "Zen Dez" (who returned to the Island at the end of the episode) is actually SIDEWAYS DEZ!
he woke up only a few seconds later, so our 2 Desmonds switched places. And all of a sudden he's super confident and buddy-buddy with Widmore. Just like in The Sideways.
So our 2 Desmonds switched places, and we mainly saw the story of our Desmond go to The Sideways. We will soon see the story of Sideways Desmond now on our Island!
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Post by LockeRulez on Apr 6, 2010 21:55:25 GMT -5
Why would Daniel and Charlie try to get back to an Island timeline in which they're dead along with their great loves and everyone there kind of hates life? Why would anyone actually choose the Island over the Happily Ever After? Desmond saw Charlie dying with the "Not Penny's Boat." This could just as easily be a memory from his subconscious making the possibility of the sideways epilogue still plausible. they don't know they're dead. they just know something's wrong in The Sideways. And we will learn later about "what's wrong" there. Eloise possibly knows, and warns Desmond not to "fight" it . So possibly they are trapped there or something. Yes, we won't know for sure until its all over! |
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Post by spinaltumor on Apr 6, 2010 21:56:10 GMT -5
It's still really weird for any kind of Desmond to see Sayid (or someone he doesn't even know if this is sideways Des) shoot a bunch of people and not react in any way and just blindly follow him.
Freaky, man.
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Post by blop on Apr 6, 2010 22:21:25 GMT -5
Wow, really interesting and great episode! What makes it so awesome is that we're back to having absolutely no idea what's going to happen next  right when I was starting to feel a more linear story line centering very clearly on the island story haha. That's awesome though. I can't wait to see what happens. A couple quick notes/theories: - Desmond's sacrifice: There isn't really a happily ever after in the sideways. Jin/Sun were in trouble, Sayid was going down, Claire is confused and doesn't know what to do, and Charlie is longing for Claire (the blonde woman he sees in his 'vision'). The other characters are better off but still having trouble - Jack doesn't have his dad's body to bury, Locke is stuck in his wheelchair, Kate is still on the run, and Sawyer is still troubled by his parents death. But Desmond... Desmond is getting the happily ever after. Desmond has Widmore's respect already, and now he's getting Penny. He gets the best of both worlds, because he's special. If he hadn't been special he wouldn't have known about Penny. Desmond's sacrifice will be giving up his happily ever after so that everyone else can have theirs, in the island timeline. - Desmond is going to bring everyone from the manifest together in the alternate. To do what? Umm.... I'll let you figure that out - What's up with Hawking? Mysterious like usual! - Faraday's cool. I want to be Faraday. Or should I say Daniel Widmore? - Is Penny living with Widmore? Because Widmore seems to be married with Hawking, with his child Daniel, and yet Penny is still around as his half-sister. Where is her mother? Is Hawking okay with the fact that Widmore had a child with another woman? I'm kinda confused about that. - [insert some smart comments here, in the event that my brain wasn't all jumbled up with the overruling consensus being that I need to rewatch this episode] |
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Post by iflocked on Apr 6, 2010 23:09:00 GMT -5
if anyone else thought of this b4 me credit to them . here goes my theroy . the entire show is about free will plus destiny together . jacob is the agent of destiny .mib is the agent of free will . either alone creates the sideways universe .
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Post by spinaltumor on Apr 6, 2010 23:32:47 GMT -5
I think Penny is older than Daniel. So Widmore could have had a child before getting together with Eloise, which probably wouldn't bother her so much. She'd be all "...whatever happened, happened!"
I don't really think a true happily ever after can exist. Lost is a show, but it has to try and be realistic...people are always going to have to face problems. Either way, short of Sun being shot, I think everyone's lives still seem better off the Island than on it. And Charlie, Daniel and them get to be, like...alive and such.
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Post by evilgus on Apr 6, 2010 23:40:08 GMT -5
The last 10 minutes made up for more boring pointless flashsideways crap.
In fact it went some way to justifying the flashsideways. The looks the characters are always giving each other when they meet, as if they are having deja vu, finally pays off. I think it took too long and a lot of it was filler.
I think Desmond jumped timelines as well.
I hope one day we will get the backstory of McCutcheon, the mysterious antique Scotch with the Irish name(oops). 60 years old and yet available in random bars and executive offices worldwide. Casked at the height of WWII, presumably by women since all the men were drafted.
I think/hope the next episode could be a cracker.
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Post by blop on Apr 6, 2010 23:40:09 GMT -5
Two good points.. That makes sense about Penny being older. And yea I suppose my theory was a bit of a stretch. I still think Desmond's sacrifice is going to be giving up his life with both respect from Widmore and true Penny love though |
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right when I was starting to feel a more linear story line centering very clearly on the island story haha. 
