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Post by Redsox on Jun 25, 2008 22:58:58 GMT -5
monsterjester i would agree that therapy is not always the answer what i meant more was a self reflective be your self approach that is not being a pick up artist, honestly i agree with you 100%.
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Post by Redsox on Jun 25, 2008 23:05:57 GMT -5
But what you also have to realize is that women have alot of options, so they aren't going to spend the time to get to know you unless you demonstrate that you're a guy who is unique and different than all the other guys she's met. Having a solid foundation in your identity makes you unique, and nobody else in the world has the same memories and experiences you do. But you can't get to know a woman until she's attracted to you, therefor you have to generate attraction in a woman so she'll want to get to know you better. How you generate attraction is something that we'll get into during the length of the podcast. You don't have to be someone else, we just need to adjust your perception about how men and women interactions work. That way you can find somebody that truly appreciates who you are as a person. I have agreed with you before but saying that a woman wont want to get to know you before there attracted to you seems almost the opposite to what you have said and what i agree with, that woman are more attracted to personality(over looks) and someone who will be there for them and perhaps your eventual spawn. i would argue that you need a hook to get a girl sure flirting skills help but there not your whole game, as a guy i think you need to be there for her above all else and prove it to her first. |
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 26, 2008 13:16:24 GMT -5
Oddly enough, Redsox, you're on the right track. Women ARE more attracted to the personality rather than looks, once they get to know you. But in the first few moments of an interaction.. in the first couple of seconds that you meet a new woman, she doesn't know you, your intentions, your ideas, your personality, or anything else about you. It is this part where you must shine, and be different that way she'll WANT to get to know you then you can let your personality come out.
If your not attracted to someone, would you want to get to know them? You need to be attractive first, part of that is your personality. Like I said, we need to adjust the perception a little bit, start in attraction.. then build a relationship (comfort).
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Post by Redsox on Jun 26, 2008 22:14:12 GMT -5
so you just mean hide the weirdness
its not odd i got game.
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Post by michael kirschner on Jun 28, 2008 20:22:31 GMT -5
i think what the cliff segment is and what it was supposed to be are two very differen shows
i prefer what it was supposed to be and its not to late to save it cliff u can succeed where george lucas failed admit defeat and make it better instead of continuing to do what u know people dont like kill jar jar figuratively
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Post by skeetergirl87 on Jun 30, 2008 9:28:27 GMT -5
My initial problem with the segment was that it was a lot different from what I was expecting. From all of the crap that J&J had given Cliff in the past about everything, I figured it was going to be listening to Cliff talk about his humerous but failed attempts to pick up women. I'd never heard of this whole PUA thing (I'm old and married) and thought that he was totally joking when he started talking about it.
When I found out he was serious, at first I was a little put off. I think that while the intent of the group as a whole may be a little questionable, Hybrid is choosing to use the process to better himself and apply it to other areas than just hooking up with chicks. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and trust that he's using these skills for good and hasn't gone to the dark side. I understand what he has said about it helping with his confidence, which has positively effected the rest of his life. So, I think that he has the right perspective.
I guess my biggest problem with this whole PUA thing is that if I'm a girl that got "picked up" by a guy using these techniques and then found out later, I would feel manipulated and question that guy's sincerity. Would I ever be able to trust what he says, or is everything just a line meant to manipulate me in some way? And what's with the nicknames? I know that Hybrid explained it, but to me it just makes everything seem more fake.
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Post by thebeatlesremain on Jun 30, 2008 10:27:39 GMT -5
Well, I have no problem with the segment, but I do agree that the way men meet women has definitely changed, but I enjoy the hybrid segment, I guess I just don't understand the controversy
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 30, 2008 14:49:26 GMT -5
I think the controversy comes when you take the emotion called Love, break it down into a system, analyze it, study it, and then use it to get what you want. When it's talked about in a cold, rational, logical, and un-emotional system, it seems like you are being fake because "that's not what love is suppose to be".
There is a process. Whether a man knows about it or not, it exists. But even though there is a process to "Pick Up" a woman, still the interaction rely on the interaction game between a man and a woman. It's like chess, there's millions of combinations and moves, but the board and the pieces are the same.
I'm talking about you how to play chess. These are the pieces, this is the board, these are how the pieces moves. But it all comes down to what YOU want to do with the chess pieces you have in front of you. I can't tell you how to play... i could probably help you with one move here, another move there... but it all comes down to you learning how to play, making your own moves, and learning from your mistakes, so that way, you can play on your own. You know the rules, and what the pieces do. You know how to defend and attack. You know the rules of the game and can play anytime there is a chess board in-front of you.
Being a PUA is about making your own decisions when you're out in real life and taking responsibility for it. You just know the rules and how to move your pieces. Oddly enough, women play this game too.
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 30, 2008 15:05:54 GMT -5
Nick names are there to protect ourselves from getting in too deep and sacrificing what we truly care about, like family, work, school, etc.. It also helps in "getting into state" the act of changing into someone so you can be talkative when with women. Nick names also protect our true identities so that our work and professional lives don't mix.
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Post by thebeatlesremain on Jun 30, 2008 15:08:49 GMT -5
I agree, and the only people who really know what love is are the people who have found it and I understand that that is what this community is about, using what you have is like the force, some people use it for sex, I have no doubt about that, but why should those people be brought up? they aren't what this segment is about, it's about using the "force" for self-confidence and in the long run to find love for yourself, and I understand that that's your purpose in the community
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Post by fury2701 on Jul 30, 2008 21:56:37 GMT -5
Test - I'm real new at this.
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Post by fury2701 on Jul 30, 2008 21:59:46 GMT -5
Hybrid I think your getting a bad rap. At least you're going out there and getting it done.
I have some questions though.
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Post by The Hybrid on Aug 11, 2008 14:50:49 GMT -5
What are your questions?
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Post by Crouton on Aug 29, 2008 14:22:45 GMT -5
I have an idea.
New segment on Dales Dating Disasters. Dale can recount one of his many disasters and "The Hybrid" could analyze what went wrong and make suggestions as to how Dale could have done things differently.
Hilarity ensues!
What do you think?
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