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Post by sildani on May 23, 2010 23:08:19 GMT -5
Can I just say I thought it was terrible?  I spent 6 years of my life dedicated to this show, never missed an original airing, listened to three podcasts, re-watched over and over, and right now, I feel like I've wasted my time. I don't even GET the end! I didn't think it was terrible, but like ktrip, I didn't understand the ending. What did Jack mean by saying he was dead? Why was Christian Shepherd out of the coffin and able to physically interact with Jack? Why were all those people in a church at the end? What were they realizing? I just don't understand. |
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Post by spinaltumor on May 23, 2010 23:12:01 GMT -5
The sideways was the afterlife. Everyone lived out their lives on the Island. After they all died, they met up in "limbo" and moved on to the other side together.
I don't see how that's confusing....
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Post by sildani on May 23, 2010 23:18:42 GMT -5
The sideways was the afterlife. Everyone lived out their lives on the Island. After they all died, they met up in "limbo" and moved on to the other side together. If the show ended the way you described... then that's kinda disappointing. For example, in the flash-sideways Jack has experienced some sort of "living" x amount of days until the day he realized he was dead, then he moves on. We jump in while he's on the place and the island doesn't bring the plane down (or whatever) but we're supposed to understand that his entire life from birth to "realization of death" in the flash sideways was all an "afterlife?" |
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Post by LockeRulez on May 23, 2010 23:29:21 GMT -5
I will say that i loved the episode until the last 10min. The revelation that The Sideways was The Afterlife was not so great to me. Why bother giving them different lives in the Sideways? What was the point of giving Jack a son, etc? Everything in The Sideways is pointless, until you realize that you're dead. But why bother hiding that you're dead? Why not just tell you right away so you can enjoy your "Happily Ever After" ?? But its really a fake "happily ever after" (until you realize you're dead) and didn't even tie into anything on The Island (like unLocke promising you your wildest dreams).
I think alot of us knew (and accepted) all along that The Sideways was AFTER The Island, but invalidating The Sideways by just realizing your old Island Personality really makes it pointless for me.
So, the bottom line is that we suppress your main memories/personality until at some point (if you're lucky) you connect with someone that brings back those memories and you realize your Sideways life is all false?
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Post by manofthehill on May 23, 2010 23:33:22 GMT -5
Wife and I have been discussing. I interpret it as described by spinaltumor. She interprets it as "limbo" from just before the cold open of the pilot, with the various characters having worked out their flaws in flashbacks.
Out of those two versions, I definitely like the idea that the island was real, and that only the flash sideways were Jack's idealized "limbo." I'm sure that's the discussion we're supposed to have about the show.
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Post by charliesring on May 23, 2010 23:34:45 GMT -5
@sidani--- that's your choice to not be cool with that-- its definitely another life-- even his son. I'm sure its about as real as any other world.
Personally, I found it all very beautiful-- they all had a choice to move on-- and they wanted to do it together. The sideways world was very fulfilling for me because it was a place where these characters could help each other be fulfilled, remember and let go.
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Post by witheyesclosed on May 23, 2010 23:37:07 GMT -5
There was no birth to realization. In the sideways, they needed to meet to go all together. It took Jack the longest because he can never let go. We never really know when we die possibly until we get to a place like this.
I didn't like it initially as I saw it unflold but I can dig it now. We saw since Boone in the first epi from this season starting to show that those that died first were getting the rest to follow suit and understand what was going on. Closer with Ben being sorry with John and hurley telling him about being a great number 2. Maybe Ben wasn't ready to go because he's either not dead yet or trapped as a lost soul.
And as Christian told him, they all wanted to live together.
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Post by witheyesclosed on May 23, 2010 23:40:24 GMT -5
And to add to it. I liked how the room with Christian had objects of every religion. It's like saying they were all angels waiting for everything to play out until there death. They got to see once they were enlightened.
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Post by kuhbr on May 23, 2010 23:41:53 GMT -5
And the two people who "weren't ready yet" were Ben and Ana Lucia, two people who had comitted murder, but had redeemed themselves at least somewhat. Guess they gotta wait longer.
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Post by charliesring on May 23, 2010 23:47:31 GMT -5
Wife and I have been discussing. I interpret it as described by spinaltumor. She interprets it as "limbo" from just before the cold open of the pilot, with the various characters having worked out their flaws in flashbacks. Out of those two versions, I definitely like the idea that the island was real, and that only the flash sideways were Jack's idealized "limbo." I'm sure that's the discussion we're supposed to have about the show. One thing I'd say is that I don't think limbo really began before the cold open/airplane turbulence-- I think that is the audience being brought in at the beginning of the end of their limbo/alternate experience journey. That's why Rose tells Jack "you can let go now" after the turbulence~~~ so much more meaning now  |
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Post by charliesring on May 23, 2010 23:48:11 GMT -5
And the two people who "weren't ready yet" were Ben and Ana Lucia, two people who had comitted murder, but had redeemed themselves at least somewhat. Guess they gotta wait longer. Daniel Widmore and Charlotte didn't go with them either. |
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Post by kuhbr on May 24, 2010 0:07:37 GMT -5
Well Ben not leaving definitely seemed more like a choice, since he knew what was going on and just said he had some stuff to do still. Maybe get a chance to be like a real dad to Alex for awhile instead of a creep? lol
Miles also didn't go.
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Post by macefromdowndaroad on May 24, 2010 0:15:18 GMT -5
people and their investments of time... wow folks... admit it was an amazing ride and leave it at that. whether you understand right now or it takes you a rewatch to get it just take away the feeling that the story ended and that is a good thing.
For me, I thought the execution was somewhat dumb and lazy because they explained it as if everyone that they loved was there to leave together and then what we see there are select "couples" there as well as Christian, Locke and Boone???
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Post by charliesring on May 24, 2010 0:16:19 GMT -5
Also, I really like the whispers now-- with all those tortured souls not passing the test and being forced to wonder the island for all eternity.
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Post by eowynmn on May 24, 2010 0:23:10 GMT -5
I've been lurking for a long time, but had to create an account to post this. I'm not sure if anyone else is coming to this conclusion, but I just had an Ah Hah! moment. The reason that protecting the light in the cave is so important to everyone's lives, is because it's important to their souls. If the darkness is being "plugged up" with the light, then there is no eternal d**nation. There is only purgatory where you have a chance for forgiveness and redemption, and where you move on to afterward. This is why it's so important to protect the island. Without it, everyone who did anything imperfect in their lives might not have the chance to move on in the afterlife. The island is almost a representation of Jesus in itself, making forgiveness possible. Also, looks like they did the zombie season after all.  |
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I spent 6 years of my life dedicated to this show, never missed an original airing, listened to three podcasts, re-watched over and over, and right now, I feel like I've wasted my time. I don't even GET the end!
