Interesting e-mails

[Jack]

Just a thought but what if the losties don't change anything. What ever happened happened. They stay in 1977 and stay in the dharma time line. Only to live out their lives on the island. So if that happens there are two ways it could go.
1- they stay with dharma (somehow) and die in the purge. As Richard said "I watched them all die" a sad fate for our losties
2- they escape dharmas clutches and join Richard and the others. Living with them in the underground tunnels and temple. Hiding from dharma and On September 22, 2004 they bare witness to their crash that starts it all. Maybe Jack never had "visions of his father on the island" maybe it was his older self making sure all is ok and going as planed. I know in the mobisodes jacks father tells Vincent to wake his son but they never put that in the show,why? Maybe because it's not jacks father but Jack himself. Who knows maybe Richard and his temple crew. were on seen waiting for the crash and when it happened they used clorofill or something like that to put the 815 survivors to sleep giving them more time to work on survivors. The crash didn't really look like it just happened in the opening seen. We all know that sometime the losties lose memory like Clair after Ethan. Charlie after Ethan hung him and many more. Room 23 might come into play for removing memories. Jack is also a miracle spinal surgen perhaps older Jack (while all the losties were out cold) repaired John Lockes crushed spine. I undertand that they would have to be out for some time but who knows.
Or Jacks father might be on the island but not in they way we think. Christian might have been contacted by the others before his death in australia, brought to the island only to travel forward in time for short periods in order to appear to individuals who need to be placed on certain paths like Jack, John, Claire and anyone else who saw him.
Christian is also a surgen maybe he repaired Johns spine while they were out. In the end christians desteny is to die in Australia so when his work was done he goes to die just like John left the island knowing he'd die.
In a show as glorious as lost all theories are on the table and nothing is impossible. That is why we love it dearly and will miss it when it's gone. It provokes a train of thought like no tv show before it. Stay lost.
Nemeste
Dharma Jay

Jason

[Jack]

Follow up message
Hey Jay and Jack, just got done listening to the most recent podcast, which lead me to a couple of thoughts.

The Question
It's been a while since I've seen seasons 3 and 4, but do we know for sure that Ben and Widmore are on opposing sides? It obviously would make more sense for them to be enemies, but I only ever recall them each saying that they didn't want "the wrong side to win." Widmore clearly isn't on Jacob's side because Bram tried to convince Miles, working for Widmore at the time, to switch sides. But if Ben killed Jacob, he has no choice but to be on Deadwood Guy's side. So either Ben and Widmore are allies or there are three sides to this war, and it's unknown where Widmore comes into play.

The Comment
Everyone assumed Jacob was a good guy. You guys have theorized that he is, however, the "bad guy." Think about this: maybe there is no "good" side or "bad" side; there's just two sides.

"Two players, two sides. One light, the other dark." - John Locke
Light and Dark don't necessarily mean Good and Evil. In a game of backgammon, would you consider one player to be bad and the other to be good?

The Theory
I started thinking more about backgammon. In order to win, it does involve some luck. But more important than luck is strategy. You have to get your pieces set in the right places at the right times in order to win. Remember how Jacob said sometimes people just need a little push? Maybe he was pushing all of his pieces (the Losties, Black Rock people, etc.) into the places he needed them to be. He needed Young Sawyer to finish the letter, Sayid to be on the plane in order to attempt to kill Young Ben, and Locke needed to survive that 8-story fall in order to have ever come to the island. We've seen him setting up his side, just as I'm sure DWG is setting up pieces on his end, which we have yet to find out about. Again, maybe Widmore is on his side, and DWG's pieces include the freighter people among others.

I think the big question is, "did Jacob really set all this in place to be killed?" Maybe he knew he would be killed and the pieces he set up along the way will ensure a victorious endgame for his side, which will be in the island's best interest. Or maybe Crackpot Jack is right and Jacob is someone else, possibly Richard. After all, he's the one that made Richard ageless. I'm assuming it's because he needed Richard to be there in the end, helping his side win the war, but I think Jack may also be on to something.

Plus 2 Quick-Hits
1. Did you notice this parallel in Locke and Ben? Ben used to know everything. He knew what to do, when to do it, and what would happen once it was done. Locke knew nothing. He was always asking questions, wondering what his purpose was, wandering around like a vagabond. Then in "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham," when Locke is revived, he suddenly knows everything. Ben and Locke even have a conversation about how Locke suddenly knows all and Ben is left asking questions. So are we to assume that whatever revived YB in the temple later left adult Ben to take over Locke's body?

2. Jacob knows the future. Or at least parts of it; he isn't just setting up these pieces on a whim, he knows what he's doing. Ben and Widmore also lead me to believe that they knew parts of the future as well, considering they knew about this upcoming war. I could understand Jacob knowing the future, if he is indeed God-like, but that doesn't explain how Ben and Widmore would know. Was the information about a war passed on from Jacob to Richard to the leader of the Island? Or is there something else.

I was hoping that after writing down these thoughts, my mind would be cleared but unfortunately I'm more confused than ever. I hope you two shed some light on these topics in the next podcast, if only to ease my pain.

Thanks Jay and Jack. Keep up the great work--can't wait to hear more.

P.S. - Sorry for the email, I didn't know it would be so long (that's what she said). Luckily Jay's a good editor; feel free to paraphrase.

[Jack]

Here's another opening seen for season six.

You see a closed eye and with the trade make "flashing noise" the eye opens. Camara pans out and you see it's Jake and he's on a plane. You here a voice saying "ladies and gentelmen welcome aboard ocianic air flight 815. My name is Cindy I'll be you flight addendent. Please fasten your safety belt make sure your seat backs and tray tables are in there full and upright possition as we are preparing for take off."

Everything seems to be the same as before. Cindy walks the cabin of the plane handing out drinks to all our losties. Charlie gets up to head to the bathroom (to take his drugs) Cindy alerts the rest of the cabin crew they all head to the front of the plane after Charlie. Charlie bumps into Jack, Rose says "he must be in a hurry."
Cindy then sneaks past the other cabin crew members as they knock on the bathroom door. She picks up the phone by the roosterpit door and says yes captain, it's Cindy would you felas like your coffee now" she hangs up the phone and turns to the serving cart were she preps two coffees then looks over her shoulder to her coworkers knocking on the bathroom door. Seeing they are not looking she poors an orange liquid into both coffees. Then she enters the roosterpit. A minute or so pases before she opens the door again and continues helping her coworker with Charlie. A short while passes then the plane shutters.
Jack turns to Rose "don't worrie, this is normal"
Then the plane dives wildly then climbs only to dive once more then the turbulance tears the plane apart.
Thud cut to LOST
Cindy is and always was an "other" planted on the plane (like Micheal on the freighter) to ensure it gets to the island. In the original crash she did give Kate an orange drink similar to that Juliet was giving to be knocked out for the sub ride. Maybe she gave everyone the "knockout juice" or just the ones who were meant to survive the crash and needed in the master plan.
This is "course correction" at it's core. The variable is Desmond he'll not be pushing a button in the swan because the "incident" never happened. But he's still on the island. Because the incident had nothing to do with bringing him to the island.
From this point anything is possible. Desmond might have simply found the empty hatch (because the purge still killed dharma maybe even Calvin this time) and made it his home until the losties came knocking.
The losties would still flash through time as they did in season 5. But instead of trying to stop the incident in 1977 they aim to cause it. Not knowing what crashed their plane they think it was something in the hatch. They try to change the past by blowing up the hatch. They cause the incident. Dharma finishes the hatch and begins pushing the button (to save the world). The losties flash at the moment the incident happens. Starting the circle anew. But this time Cindy doesn't drug the captain, Desmond is stuck pushing the button because of the incident. Then one day in September 2004 he doesn't push the button in time, the magnetic force brings down flight 815. The "circle" is complete. Thus the losties are "lost" in a perpetual loop.
Just a thought and a very long one, if you've read this far thank you
It's just a theory nothing more.

Jason
Dharma Jay

[Jack]

There's lots of speculation as to whether Jacob is good or evil. If he is really based around the biblical character, then the answer is both: Jacob did deceive his brother and father yet later in life reconciled with his brother:

Jacob met up with his brother later in life and expected his brother to take revenge on him, so he tried to send gifts ahead of him so that his brother's "house" (or basically his family and army) didn't kill his "house." What actually happened surprised him:
"But Esau ran to meet Jacob and embraced him; he threw his arms around his neck and kissed him. And they wept." Gen 33:4

If they are trying to play out a Jacob/Esau connection, (I think they are with the whole "God loves you as He loved Jacob" hint.) The original story was a bit more complicated than everyone assumes. Neither are totally good or totally evil.

My theory- we will learn a LOT more about these two characters and there will be some references to the biblical story. In the end, maybe even a reconciliation!

Thanks for all your work on the podcasts! I LOVE THEM!
-Shannon in Arkansas (which is nothing like Utah!)

[spinaltumor]

Jul 20, 2009 12:31:13 GMT -5 Jack said:

-Shannon in Arkansas (which is nothing like Utah!)

Haha.

[Jack]

Hi Jay and Jack -

I have heard many theories about what the rules are that Ben refers to in "Something Nice Back Home." I've heard many people say they think the rules are that you can't kill family members. That seems awfully boring for Lost and since Alex is not technically Ben's family, I don't think that's what the rules refer to. I think the rules are directly related to Faraday's journal.

At the end of season 5 we see that the 1977 Others come into possession of Faraday's journal. In 2007, in the "Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" episode, we see that pages of the journal are found in Ben's Hydra Island office. So we know that the Others have paid close attention to what exactly that journal says. I think that once Ellie and Widmore came to fully understand that the journal had precise details on what was to come for the next 30 years, they (and other prominent Others like Richard and Ben at some point) resolved that they would not do ANYTHING to try and change what was written in that journal. This decision came to be known as "The Rules."

But here's where things change: I think Ben is extremely committed to seeing that the rules are followed. Conversely, I think that at some point after Widmore got kicked off the island, he decided it was time to try and change the rules. Perhaps he thought that by sending the freighter to the island in 2004 and retrieving Ben before the island was moved and the time-jumping that sent the Losties back in time started, he could prevent all of the events that led to him being thrown off the island. (For instance, if Sayid hadn't gone back in time and shot Ben, Ben would not have been taken to the temple and changed into the evil person he became...the same evil person that ousted Widmore from the island.) Widmore's "Secondary Protocol" was to get rid of everyone on the island. Drastic measures, but it would still mean the time-jumping would be prevented.

When Alex is killed, Ben says Widmore broke the rules because somewhere in the journal, Alex is said to have been still alive after 2004. Widmore changed the future by letting Alex be killed.

Complicated, I know. And very long-winded. Sorry. There are some potential holes in this theory. If it gets read on the air, I would love to hear what other listeners think and what holes they can blow in this theory. : )

Love the show and can't wait for season 6!

Annie in California

[markedman]

Great theory!

[Steve]

Yeah I really like that one.

[Jack]

First off, I love the podcast. It is something that will help quench my thirst for Lost until January. Before I get into my crackpot theories, I just have to ask.. Have you read Captain America : Reborn #1? They totally rip off Lost. I guess Captain America wasn't dead but was jumping through time, visiting various points in his life (ummm.. Desmond, anyone?). Also, the key to getting back may be the love of his life Sharon since she is his "constant". Interesting note of Lost's appeal, I must say.

Theory Time!!!!

I think that Juliet is a key figure, not deemed meaningful by Jacob or DWG. First of all, she wasn't brought to the island by Jacob but by Ben. If you are of the theory that Jacob brought the 815ers, then she becomes a wildcard as would anyone brought by other means. Now, as you go through the series, you notice that she has had multiple opportunities to leave the island but through one way or another, she never left. I sort of think of it like how they treated Neo in Matrix:Reloaded. Under there theory of "whatever happened happened", you assume that if you replay any scenario 100 times, it will always occur the same. The Architect tells Neo that 6 previous versions have chosen to save humanity but Neo uses free will and changes what happens. It is then my theory that this time through this series of events, Juliet chose differently. At what point she changed her course, I am not sure. But watch that seen with her and Bernard, where he asks her if she wants some tea. It is a little eerie and has an odd pause. You could almost see she thinks she should but she "chooses" not to and to continue the journey. (That scene has bugged me since I saw it)


Theory Time#2!!!
Now for the "What happened at the end of the finale?" theory. Before I begin, let me say :I have no frakking idea what they are gonna do in Season 6! Every time I think I have an idea, I discuss it with my brother and then we realize we both have no clue. As for the finale, I would like to say that the people behind Lost don't alot by accident or without foresight. This takes me to editing. The way the final ten minutes were cut and pasted as we watched them in the finale is important. The bomb doesnt go off and the Incident is occuring around them. Yes, that is the Incident. Candle hurting his arm, huge magnetism surge and stuff just going nuts.. all occuring without the bomb going off. The bomb doesnt go off and after the Incident subsides, the place is filled with concrete to protecting from radiation (Thank you, Sayid). Now, Juliet falls down the hole and she dies... atleast momentarily. Next, we see the murder of Jacob by Ben. Right after Jacob's body is kicked in the fire, they cut to Juliet suddenly given life once more. Its my theory that Jacob's death caused the rules not to apply anymore. Juliet, my wildcard... was given life once more. Knowing her dire situation and Jack's theory of changing the future, she tries to bash the bomb. With the rules now changed, she succeeds. The future is changed but like I said, who the frak knows what that future will now be?

I am sure I will have more crackpot theories for ya'll!!!

Keep up the great work. Much Appreciated!!


Ian (Plymouth,

[Jack]

Hello Guys,

I wanted to write in on an interesting theory as I am still trying to digest the season finale of LOST as well as trying to deprogram for awhile. Could it be possible that Jacob will find a loop hole through Charlie in returning to the island similar to anti-Locke did. The Lost writers are very clever. We see that Hurley has had a conversation with Charlie while in the mental institution. Also I believe that Sun has found Charlies DS ring at the old camp and less we not forget about Jacob giving Hurley the gutiar case. I know that there are rumors that several of the old cast members are returning but could this be a key to something else. Charlie did have resolution and chose not to do drugs anymore and Jacob said that we all have choices. Maybe this can determine who we see comig back to the island.

I know you may not be able to cover this in your podcast as it maybe a spoiler that was cover on E! reports but it would be interesting to talk about on a podcast the big theory of how this will play out in the end before the final season actually takes place. Maybe you could ask people to write in their theories and choose the top 5 or 10 to explore.

LOST518 or Kim from NY

[Jack]

Mathew to me
show details Jul 12 Reply



Hey Jay and Jack. Thank you so much for all the effort you guys put into the Podcast for all of us. I feel lucky that I found the podcast. I heard about the "Married guy"podcast the other day and Im looking forward to checking it out as well.I know we dont know each other, but I do feel close to you guys to a certain extent in that we all like Lost and we are all sharing views and such...Its awesome. =)
OK, the reason I think Jacob and deadwood guy arent brothers....and Deadwood guy isnt "Esau" all boils down to 1 sentence Deadwood guy says to Jacob when they are talking to each other about the ship. Deadwood guy says "Do you have any idea how bad I want to kill you?" Jacob says "Yes."Then Deadwood Guy says "One of these days,sooner or later,I'm gonna find a loophole my friend." Now, check me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it seem weird that he would call his brother "My friend"?. That 1 sentence has been bugging me for awhile now. I figured someone would mention it, but I havent heard anyone bring it up so I thought I would. I think the whole "Esau" thing has been blown way outta proportion. It seems like most people have excepted it even...but not me. Im not buyin into it. =P . Well guys, I hope your havin a great summer. Have fun at comic con. That sounds like its gonna be a blast. Wish I could go, but school and crap takes my time and money at the moment. Maybe next year....If it isn't an inconveniences it would be super cool to hear back from who ever reads this, but don't worry about it if your busy. I was just curious what you thought of my theory ruling out "The brothers". Thanks agian- Mateo (bayarea cali)

[spinaltumor]

I know a lot of people who use the name Esau, but I don't think any one of them actually think that will be his name, or think that he and Jacob are brothers.

I feel like the backlash against the use of the name Esau is more blown out of proportion than the usage of the name itself!

[Jack]

Seth





The months that are left are less than 7,

In the meantime I’m totally in Blu-ray heaven,

I’ve gone back to a simpler time, when,

We’d never heard of a guy named Ben.



Back to a time before my brain began to chafe,

Back when carrying logs was still safe,

When Jack’s personality (and love life) wasn’t such a joke,

And the most danger came from a monster made of smoke.



Locke seemed to have more fun playing with orange peels,

Than finding Jacob and turning frozen donkey wheels,

Before I knew the writers already had the plot cooked,

This d**n show had me totally hooked.



The weeks of hot weather are few,

But they help me forget Jacob’s bloody spew,

Summer activities keep me pretty frenetic,

And I forget how Juliet’s personality was so “magnetic.”



(I hope she was not slain,

By the magnetic core that yanked her chain,

Her condition must still be pretty nice,

If she had the ability to detonate a nuclear device.)



I look forward to Jin and Sun’s next meeting,

But I sure miss seeing Ben get his weekly beating,

Rebecca Mader’s memory becomes distant,

And I look forward to Radzinski becoming non-existent.



I guess it’s time that I exhaled,

And relish the memory of Phil getting impaled,

As the summer days get fewer,

I will think of him at the end of a skewer.

[Jack]

Rewatching season 5.... 2 seemingly boring/innocuous scenes that I think have much deeper meaning.

The scene where Locke turns the donkey wheel after falling down the well.... "Christian" makes 2 statements, first that things only need a little push, and that he cannot give John a hand. Seems to be alluding to free will/temptation. In mythology, most demons/devils cannot directly force someone to do something, but push or tempt them to do it. Also, remember that Christian says to say hello "to my son"... he doesn't ever say "Jack". Might Aaron be his "son"? Or someone else?

Second scene, when the O6 is on the boat, Jack asks Kate is she is with him. Kate's response has emphasis on certain words, and wording is such, that I think it has a different meaning. Her saying that she has always been with (Jack), to me, signals that she is not Kate, but some g/God that is constantly with him. I know the writers often have double meaning, but Kate (sorry, Jack) did a poor job of hiding this one... she really oversold the line.

So, 2 crackpot theories. One is old, one is new. The old one.... John Locke has, from day 1, not been the same John Locke that was in Australia. The island has no healing powers (see Ben's tumor). John is actually, since the crash, always been Smokey/Jacob/Essau/someone... not sure yet who, but he's been a puppet since the crash, and the real John has been dead.

The loophole is about Jacob/Essau changing people without directly interfering, e.g. free will. The loophole is that Locke's vessel (body) was used to push Ben to kill without directing making Ben kill.

And finally, my "Theory Lock of the Summer"... we have only seen the back of the 4 toed statue for a reason. The reason is that the alligator head is not really a head, but a hat or ceremonial headpiece. We we finally get the to the see the front, my guess is that we will see that is is Juliet, who went back in time with the big white flash and, with her OBGYN knowledge, fixes the fertility issues, thus the reason the statue is holding the items it is.

Enjoy the summer.... 6 more months?

Brad

[spinaltumor]

Yeah, I don't really agree with Brad on any of those. Sorry Brad.

And for Aaron to be Christian's son? He'd have to have had sex with his daughter! Who he KNEW was his daughter! Gross, man. Yikes.