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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 14, 2008 16:53:40 GMT -5
Hey guys, I hope you enjoy the segment, and if you don't, that's ok too. I know that there is a lot of controversial stuff that's going to be said. If you have any questions or comments you can post here, or visit my blog at: www.hybridpua.wordpress.com You can find what i'm all about here: Leave a comment or send me an email. I'll be checking it regularly! -Hybrid
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Post by jlyn1980 on Jun 14, 2008 21:21:03 GMT -5
Hybrid rules.
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Post by HandsomeLlewellyn on Jun 14, 2008 21:59:31 GMT -5
What's with the nicknames, Cliff? It all seems kinda corny....Do you tell the girls you're gaming your nickname or is that only reserved for your PUA buddies?
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Post by AussieJordan on Jun 15, 2008 4:50:48 GMT -5
It's good to see someone saving our planet by cutting down on gases. haha
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Post by mikeyc on Jun 15, 2008 8:31:37 GMT -5
I am half way through the Hybrid section and Cliff is kinda creeping me out talking about reading books on women and what women want.
I assumed women wanted taffy.....
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Post by AussieJordan on Jun 15, 2008 18:44:10 GMT -5
I would just watch What Woman Want, because no where did it say in the movie they wanted...all that, I'm just joking.
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 15, 2008 19:06:05 GMT -5
The nickname is just my identity within the seduction community. It holds some significance with my PUA friends, as well as my mentality. I use my real name for girls. Don't forget, this is my veiw. There are PUA's out there who don't use a nickname. They do just as well, but here's what it does for me..
Hybrid gives me a chance to become a character that i'm not, and then at the end of the night, to become clif again. The purpose for the nickname is to allow guys to experience the PUA world without losing their identity within it. Think about it, if your a guy and had the power to get any woman you want... you would quit everything you are, what you'd work for, what your beliefs are to just go out and get women.
I've heard horror stories where men will spend everything they have to be with a woman that doesn't even like them. I had a friend who's father quit his job, sold his business, sold his house, moved to Virgina, married this women, then she divorced him, took everything and he lost everything.. All because he thought that this one woman was special to him.
It's about enhancing your life, not driving it.
Mikeyc, what do you mean that it creeps you out? I would think that if a guy wants express himself to a special woman, then wouldn't he want learn about things that would give him the ability to do that? To be special to her?
Back when we were all little kids, the boys played the sports and the girls began to talk to each other about the boys. The girls were always daddy's little princesses and always wanted a pony. It's those childhood memories that stick with the girls as they grow older, and i think they want to have a man that is their prince charming. Women want alot of things, but what they really want is a healthy relationship and a man/husband who can support, protect, and complete them.
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Post by mikeyc on Jun 15, 2008 23:33:34 GMT -5
The creepiness of it - and believe me I am saying this in good fun - is just because of the idea of this being a community of people doing these specific things for specific outcomes, just seems a little much for me.
The whole "This is what works" and "This is what woman want to hear" sounds a little narcissistic.
I was just one of those guys where it just kinda happened. I couldn't imagine studying up and then trying to meet my wife using "techniques."
I guess I was just in the boat of people thinking this was more of a joking look at the idea of being a "pick-up artist" - making fun of things like that ridiculous MTV show, rather than a serious look at how to use these special techniques to maximize and enhance your life.
Also, I am a little pissed off now that the Celtics just lost.....
MikeyC
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Post by oh*my*buddha on Jun 16, 2008 1:39:27 GMT -5
Sorry, but I also thought you came off as a bit of a creeper and pompous, but maybe that was just your "game."
I can't tell if this is about shy inexperienced guys learning how to take that first step or just some kind of "how to score a chick who's way too hot for you and then brag about it to this secretive community" kinda thing. If it's the former, it reminds me of Hitch when all the women get pissed after they find out the men sort of tricked them into going out with them even though the dudes' hearts were in the right place, if it's the latter, then it just sounds like a douchebag training for future Tom Leykis fans.
Seriously hope it's not a regular segment.
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Post by blackfonzie on Jun 16, 2008 4:43:01 GMT -5
I think what made me a little uncomfortable about the segment is how it's supposed to be about meeting nice girls and being self-confident -- and that's an honorable goal and all -- yet it's called the "seduction community." As in, like, a group of people devising various techniques to "seduce" women. Hmm. And other terminology puts me off, like "closing." That's a word salesmen use when they make a commission.
I don't know -- call me old-fashioned, but I always thought the best way for a guy to get somewhere with a woman was to (1) not think of women as a different species, (2) give them some respect, and (3) ask her what her interests are, listen when she talks to you, and see if you share any of those interests. And it helps if you're entertaining and interesting in a genuine way.
I don't even know if I should say anything, b/c I know it doesn't come as easy for some guys as it luckily did for me (very happily married despite a pretty crippling lack of self-confidence). I'll still listen to the show, the PUA segment included. So this isn't a complaint or demand or anything ... just adding my $0.02 about why it felt a little salesman-ish to me.
But good luck, Hybrid!
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Post by sofie on Jun 16, 2008 5:47:00 GMT -5
The problem with this game is that it is full of manipulation. Your behavior is normally result of what you are, but you are using something you gained from someone else because you know that it works, not because you are like that. So you confuse signals. I know that you are saying that PUA lifestyle is about changing your whole life, but you are also saying that you are switching between Cliff and Hybrid. I think that normal process of changing yourself is that you change something inside you and your behavior changes automatically according to that, but what you are doing is opposite of that.
On the other hand, small amount of people dont do some kind of manipulation at first when they meet somebody they like.
(But I am actually one of these who like that segment, i guess just because i am interested in how people behave and why...)
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 16, 2008 15:10:15 GMT -5
I see what's happening. The "Seduction Community" (SC) has a bad reputation. There's words like manipulative, tricking, and treating women like they are things and not human beings. The SC has good things and bad things about it. What i've done is taken alot of the good things in the SC and try to adapt them and bring them to guys who arn't good with women.
When words like manipulative, tricking, fooling, gaming are use, there is that chill that goes down your spine and you crenge at the fact that there are "sleazy guys" out there just to get the *****. In luck, those are the guys that all women can smell a mile away, therefor will not have a chance in hell. This is the reputation that the SC has, and thus since it is a money making business, the lure for regular AFC's (average frustrated chumps) is that "hey there's a way to get women?!" and then they pay alot of money for training.
Once a guy gets deeper into the community, you eventually loose all the techniques and routines to game women and then you come off as a genuine guy. The techniques and the routines are sort of like training wheels for guys to get over Approach Anxiety, Fear of Rejection, nervousness, shyness, and their un-social abilities. Guys rely on the training wheels to build up their confidence and their ability to talk to women and for a relationship with a woman that they choose. It's those guys who never get off the training wheels that give the SC a bad name. They keep using the techniques and the routines, but they become unfulfilled with "the next girl". They never establish a connection with a woman of particular quality. It's these guys that never fully understand what the SC is all about.
I think that the SC is there to help guys get over their fear of women, to build confidence, to become a social creature, and a lot of other things too. What i'm trying to do with Jay and Jack is present the SC as a way to get your life handled, and to become your best self, your true self.
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Post by Colleen on Jun 16, 2008 15:49:11 GMT -5
So how much does it cost then if you're interested in joining the Seduction Community?
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 16, 2008 16:20:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't pay anything unless your going to get something out of it. There are opportunities, but the best way to do it is to find people in your area who are good with women, make friends with them and learn from them.
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Post by kirah815 on Jun 17, 2008 2:13:30 GMT -5
I've already chimed in on the subject in another thread but after reading this thread and checking out the Hybrid's blog I felt compelled to right this. Clif/Hybrid you seem to be putting out contradictory messages.
Here on the Jay and Jack show and in their forum, you are Mr. Positivity. You're self professed goal is to help men get their life in order and gain confidence. In one breath you are saying that women want a man that is "true to himself," yet you readily admit that a PUA has to maintain an alternate identity to keep his own sanity.
On the blog you have provided a link for, you detail a "field report," in which the females are only given abbreviations such as "HBpuppy" (puppy tails hairstyle?) or "HBchunky" (which I guess is a weight reference). Other men that are not PUA's are labeled "Average Frustrated Chumps" and those that dare interfere with your "target" are labeled "c@#k blocks." This "field experience," seems to only confirm that in the "community" women are the prize and other men are competitors. Virtually every experience you write about (even seeing a movie with your parents) is a venue for observing or learning "the game." That kind of makes me sad for you, in that life and love are not "games."
I'm sure that your "lessons" will allow young men that lack any real life experience the ability to approach women and get "digits," or occasionally seal the deal but ultimately real love and affection is something that is beyond calculations or learned behavior. I believe that good men can be strong and confident but also be kind or even, dare I say, vulnerable.
I hope that you don't get sucked in too deep to this cult-like lifestyle. From what I know of you in the jayandjack-verse you seemed like a decent guy with varied interests and some innate talent with video editing (by the way, you may want to tone down the myspace bio. It's beyond confident, it's just absurdly arrogant. It also sounds like you wrote it after taking a bong rip).
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