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Post by dlove on Jun 25, 2008 17:25:50 GMT -5
this segment i actually found boring and i had to stop listening to it because i wasnt interested. being a female i wasnt offended in any way just didnt care to listen to it personally, but now its on the explicit feed so i just dont listen to it.....the rest of the show i think is great!
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Post by rollingdoughnut on Jun 26, 2008 4:54:12 GMT -5
Does anyone else still think it's a little sinister when Clif says "The Community"?
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CarcinoGenny
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Post by CarcinoGenny on Jun 27, 2008 8:52:07 GMT -5
Does anyone else still think it's a little sinister when Clif says "The Community"? It reminds me of Landmark Forum and the terminology used specifically within it and other such groups. I think that's what's basically gotten my hackles up, and makes me distrustful of this teckmology. But whatever. Depends on how much money Clybriff is sinking into it to gain such special knowledge. Maybe it's very little. Then I would be less suspicious of the overall scheme, and ease into just general annoyance-- Not of Clybriff, just of the teckmology--I think (hope) he's smart enough to know when it's served its purpose in his life and he can move on. I don't mind his continuing to share his experiences, I find it like.... morbid curiosity or something.
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Post by sorrycharlie on Jun 27, 2008 15:00:06 GMT -5
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I used Axe body wash and it worked pretty darn well for me. I got a Brazilian fiancée now!
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Post by kits on Jun 27, 2008 17:09:28 GMT -5
As a married woman, the thing I don't understand about the "commmunity" is that if these men were really successful seducers, why are they spending so much time with other men? If these techniques worked, these men would be in a relationship with a woman and spending their time with her rather than a group of unattached men.
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Post by sorrycharlie on Jun 27, 2008 17:30:57 GMT -5
As a married woman, the thing I don't understand about the "commmunity" is that if these men were really successful seducers, why are they spending so much time with other men? If these techniques worked, these men would be in a relationship with a woman and spending their time with her rather than a group of unattached men. Gotta start somewhere, and learning the techniques from women defeats the whole purpose.
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 27, 2008 17:41:42 GMT -5
I don't pay any money for any of this. I'm savvy enough to learn by other means, whether it be friends, forums, or experience. As a married woman, the thing I don't understand about the "commmunity" is that if these men were really successful seducers, why are they spending so much time with other men? If these techniques worked, these men would be in a relationship with a woman and spending their time with her rather than a group of unattached men. I remember going to a lair meeting in Florida. It's where guys in that area meet up to talk about what they've learned out in the Field (Clubs, bars, etc.. ). They were there to meet Mystery who invented this stuff as well as to share ideas and improve their life. However, I noticed something that bothered me about most of the guys there. When i talked to them, it is if as though they sacrificed a healthy part of themselves to become a Pick Up Artist. I felt like they got into this stuff for the wrong reasons. I think that some of these guys hold on to this community to tightly and thus they don't want to let go because that's all they have. Life revolves around only two things, survival and replication. In this day and age, survival is pretty easy, if you take away replication, i.e. sex and relationships, then you're left with the question... What do you have to live for? Some of the guys I saw down there in the FLorida didn't know what they were essentially living for because they had both survival and replication aspects of life covered. Because we're intelligent creatures, our lives MEAN more than that. Our lives ARE valuable. This is the idea that gets lost among many guys who get into this stuff. Guys like that huddle in a circle for warmth rather than go out there and experience life. Once a guy has a solid foundation and a belief that his life is valuable, then he won't need the community anymore. He'll learn to be himself on his own.
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Post by monsterjester on Jun 27, 2008 20:06:33 GMT -5
Sounds more like a "layer" meeting. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm having a bad joke week.
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CarcinoGenny
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Post by CarcinoGenny on Jun 27, 2008 20:41:30 GMT -5
I don't pay any money for any of this. I'm savvy enough to learn by other means, whether it be friends, forums, or experience. OK, then the alarm has died down in my head somewhat. Go on and experiment, let us know how it goes and I'll try not to cringe too much when you talk about "opening girls" which just sounds more necrophiliac than smoothly intriguing. (nevermind bopping them on the head....) Seems like, from what you've said here, that you're able to have a bit of perspective on this scene,maybe not only its advantages but its pitfalls... I think the latter aspect is more interesting to me from a sociological POV: how the men who are involved in this relate to each other more than their tactics in relating to women.... or maybe that's boring, I dunno. But you go do your ...PUA thing... and report back so we can examine this system in better detail.
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Post by streaker on Jun 28, 2008 9:57:36 GMT -5
I believe that we should give Hybrid a chance, however, I think that most women just want money or status though. I think that it is as simple as that. I hope that someone can prove me wrong though.
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Post by kits on Jun 28, 2008 11:56:01 GMT -5
I believe that we should give Hybrid a chance, however, I think that most women just want money or status though. I think that it is as simple as that. I hope that someone can prove me wrong though. If most women just wanted money or status, the only men who would be in relationships would be the top 10% earners in the country. A teacher, minister, truck driver, bartender, Walmart employee, janitor, writer, cook, or any other man who wasn't making at least $150K/year wouldn't have a chance. But look around. Most men are not wealthy or powerful and many of them are married or in long term relationships. Of course there are some women who go just for money or power - just go to the bar in any business hotel and they'll be there (if they aren't hookers). But most women want a man who will love and respect them and treat them well. The "bad boy" thing might be fun to date when you are young, but most women realize that they are not husband material.
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Post by streaker on Jun 28, 2008 13:14:48 GMT -5
Often when I hear about women looking for men, they say that they have to be wealthy or have a good job and such. Personality, politeness, humour, sensitivity are often way down the list. I see this on talk shows, dating shows and personal columns etc. I that that many women might settle for less in time. I also know what you are saying is right too.
I heard Hybrid talking with Jay and Jack a little about saying "hi" to people in one of the shows. Something more I find is that the general society isn't very friendly! I often say "hi" to almost everyone but most people,at least around my city, don't even look up at you or make any connection or eye contact. Women are the worst in my experience. Ever since I was a little boy, I would say "hi" to almost everyone I came across (I realize it is impossible in a big town) but most people are so unfriendly these days. It finally dawned on me a few years ago that mostly only people who want a deeper connection with you will talk with you. I had many women who were friendly to me in the past, but I didn't realize that it wasn't just "down home friendliness", it was because they wanted more. I am friendly with most people and I thought others were the same. I missed many romantic opportunities due to my failure to understand how people seem to be. I've found small towns much more friendly though. Within a minute of getting out of my car in a small town, a person said "hi". I was a little shocked. I'm not sure why I am writing all this but I wanted to express myself on this topic.
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Post by manilaraf on Jun 28, 2008 23:49:32 GMT -5
streaker, As someone who grew up in New York City, I know exactly what you're talking about. People out & about tend to have their guards up most of the time, especially in public. My girlfriend complains that I'm always scowling or look like I'm ready to pick a fight whenever I'm in the subway. I guess I just grew up keeping my guard up; I mean back in the 80s, NYC wasn't as safe as it is now. I guess it just comes down to the setting. I mean, I wouldn't just say hi to someone in a situation like that. Before I met my wonderful girlfriend, I was able to start some good conversations with women in coffeeshops or in bookstores and such. Ultimately I wanted to meet and get to know them, but my goal at the time was just to talk. I mean one woman I met was reading Joe Galloway's "We were soldiers once and young" in a Starbucks on the East Side. I've read that book several times and was curious how she found it. We ended up having a nice talk about it. I asked for her number. We went out a few times but it didn't really progress; but I'm still friends with her upto now. I guess it's all in the environment in which you say hi to someone. If someone has their guard up, it'll be tough getting them to lower it. But if it's in a relaxed setting, you might just get through.
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Post by The Hybrid on Jun 30, 2008 15:32:57 GMT -5
Status is an in depth topic. But ask your self this: What if a homeless person screamed profanities at you while walking in the street, how would you feel? Now, what if your boss was yelling at you at your job, how would you feel then? Status is assessed by you. To the homeless person, you'd probably go about your business and not really care. To your boss, you'll probably worry about your job or feel bad because you got yelled at. The "Status" concept is all about how you perceive other people. Actors and rock stars are usually perceived as people who have high status. A father or mother figure is a "person you look up to". People who have low status, like the homeless guy, you feel that you're more powerful or smarter, or can play a sport better than another person, you're above them in a sense. Everybody wants to increase their status in relation to their group. This is natural, nobody ever wants to "give away" their status. Women often try to raise their status within their group by dating men who are higher status than them. That's why when women will date a teacher, minister, truck driver, bartender, Walmart employee, janitor, writer, cook, or any other man because that guy has higher status than the woman he's chosen or dating. This brings us to an interesting point, in a marriage, the reason why there are divorces is because there is a shifted balance in the status of the man and woman. When they were married, the husband had slightly higher status than his wife. But over time, the husband got lazy and wasn't sharp or didn't care, but his status fell. If the woman perceives the man as lower status than her, she'll leave and fine another man who's higher status. The divorce rate is around %51 too, . That brings us to another interesting point on a similar topic... We've all heard about the horror stories with husband's beating their wives, so why do these wives continue to stay with their husbands? Why do women go out with guys who treat them like dirt? Why do women love the bad boy type? They do what they want and don't care about anyone else which is perceived as "fake high status" by women. And because these men "get women" by being who they are, they believe that their way is the only way to get women, thus they continue to do what they do. One girl I dated before sold her house and her business to go on a word trip with this guy who had nothing!!! I mean absolute noting, just a camper. But that is another story entirely.
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Post by CarcinoGenny on Jun 30, 2008 23:29:45 GMT -5
I would feel like people should stop flipping yelling at me in general.
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--hrm...that might need clarification---I was responding to the homeless person or the boss yelling at you.. Nobody's yelling at me _here_ of course.--
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