"LOST" Amputation

[Annie]

That would be cool, Jeremy. Totally unexpected.

[Jeremy]

annie said:

Jeremy, do you think there is a demi-god hiding out there in the heart of darkness on the island?

Funny you should mention that since in "Numbers" Charlie and Hurley are walking through the Jungle to try and Find Jack and Sayid. Hurley is Determined and Charlie says, "One minute you're happy-go-lucky, good time Hurley and the next you're Colonel-bloody-Kurtz!"

Another Apocalypse Now Reference!!!

[Laura]

Hi. I think this is my first post here as a member. I posted as a guest before, I think. I made another post when I was told I had to join, but I had to make dinner in the middle of joining and I don't think the post ever made it, lol. So this is maybe my first post. (geez, I make a freaky first impression)

Anyway there were more amputees. Sam Toomie's widow lost her left leg in the car accident 16 years ago when he heard the transmission from the island. Boone refused amputation of his limb - maybe cos he knew he was sick - he had powerful hallucinations, although he did have the power of locke's suggestion of drugs. In the pre island days, Micheal may have had his leg amputated (or maybe he lost part of it and it is was reattached - his stay was very long for broken bones, wasn't it? 2 or 3 years of hospitals and rehab I think). Locke lost a kidney, though neither of those were diseases. Perhaps the loss of a limb or body part is one of the things that a lot of losties have in common - like having killed someone or having been arrested or having strong parental issues. The marshall and the guy who Jack had to amputate died cos they didn't have an amputation on time. Boone died 'cos he refused one. Also there was a tailie who died cos his leg needed to be amputated but there was no DR there. He died. They all lost lostie status .

I wonder if we will find that other losties have parts of their bodies missing. Perhaps there is some sort of cloning experimentation going on. Not all missing body parts are as obvious as having a limb cut off.

As for The Stand, there are many similarities in the storyline, but Captain Tripps, the virus that wiped out most of the world, isn't really at play on the island, nor is anything like it, from all we have been shown. There was no vaccine for Capt. Tripps. It was extremely contagious - just being in proximity of a sick person was all it took. The incubation period was very short and no missing body parts were involved. I haven't read the other books mentioned, but if readers say that there are similarities, I believe you. <g>. I don't have trust issues (at least that I admit to, lol. That seems to be a quick ticket to lost island. But maybe each person there is missing a body part that somehow has ended up in the Dharma expermiment? Anyone think so?

[Laura]

I forgot to log in. (pointing upwards) That's me.

[Annie]

I think your other first post made it if it was the one about Hurley accidentally killing his dad.

Good point about missing other body parts besides arms and legs, Laura. I bet Rose or Bernard has had their gallbladder out or Rose a hysterectomy. Tee hee.

Seriously, though. You're talking about psychologically traumatic loss of body parts like Locke's kidney and Micheal using the use of his legs for an extended period of time. I suppose Rose having a hysterectomy could be a very traumatic event if she never had children and wanted them.

OR what if SUN had to have a hysterectomy?!!! Oooooh! If your theory is correct that losties have been marred by killing someone or losing a body part then that would make sense! I highly doubt if Sun killed anyone. BUT she certainly could have had a hysterectomy and maybe that is partly why she wanted to leave Jin. She could not have children to love and help her reconnect with Jin.

[Jeremy]

I agree there are body parts missing all over the place.

For me however, I was looking only at the ones tying into Dharma which were unexplained.

For me, the Car crash is explained.

[Jeremy]

ANOTHER APOCALYPSE NOW REFRENCE. In the commentaries on Season 1, they mention colonel kurtz in regards to Locke I believe. Can't remember when, but I think it is during Walkabout, the "We Hunt" scene.

[Laura]

thanks, Annie. I did post that maybe Hurley was responsible for his father's death -even if by accident - and that was why he was in a psychiatric hospital. Odd how both Hurley and Kate have apologized to their mothers for causing them so much pain and problems.

My own 'theory' is that the memory of the losties is not their own but is either a parallel world version of their lives or are memories that are fed to them. Their are so many extras that look the same, so many characters in flashbacks with the same names, and so many similarities in the circumstances of the losties that I find this theory the most likely. Also, the people in the lives of losties appear in other losties flashbacks. I don't know why they are being fed wrong memories, but I think they are.

One of the fed memories is that they have lost body parts = or maybe they actually have lost body parts and that is the hold that dharma may have on them... either by healing them, like locke, or by bringing about situations that cause guilt which cause secrecy which cause compliance with dharma (and this is the house that Jack built, lol).

i definately can see Rose having had a hysterectomy. Maybe Sun could not have children, but i think it is more likely that she had an abortion - which might have also made her incapable of having children. She did go away to college. She also did get involved with some sort of feminist connection (the underground railroad helping korean women escape abusive husbands.) What if she found herself pregnant with a baby that would hold her to Jin when she was taking all those lessons and more to leave him (or maybe she met the woman who helped her at an abortion clinic.). She also could have had an affair before she met Jin and her father would have been a furious obstacle to her having an out of wedlock baby. Abortion may have seemed the only way out to her. Or maybe she was pregnant with that bald guy she was matched with who had the friend in harvard. I don't know. But I could see Sun having "murdered" an unborn child. I'm not trying to get into a debate on abortion here, only saying that some would call abortion murder.

But you are right, Annie, either by abortion or by a hysterectomy, if Sun couldn't have children she would feel unworthy of Jin.

Jeremy, maybe a car accident can be explained. But if it really happened, maybe it was orchestrated by dharma during their "recruitment process." (wasn' t Locke hit by that car that keeps appearing? Except he wasn't hurt the first time, was he? Why? as in why did Boone survive a big crash to die in a little one.. but that is OT, sorry <g>. ) If it didn't happen (the car accident) then dharma is the one who put it in locke's memories. Was it ever established how Locke became paralyzed?

Oh! I just thought of something else about Sun. Maybe she didn't directly kill anyone, but maybe she caused someone else to kill someone. She is like Shannon in many ways, I think. She uses men to help her and plays innocent. She told Jin not to go to her father, 'cos Jin didn't know what her father was capable of. So of course, to keep his male honor, he goes to her father and ends up working for him.. the only way he could marry Sun. Did Sun know this would happen? She told Micheal (after slapping him for his own protection!) that he didn't know what jin was capable of. The same words she used with jin about her father. So of course Michael has to preserve his male honor and gets in a big fight with Jin about the fire. Did Sun know this would happen? Of course this backfired on her
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I just remembered, too, that she tried to get Jin sick so he wouldn't leave on the raft. Yes it was Kate's idea but Sun did it. Sun is just as manipulative as Kate and Shannon. Hmmmm. wonder if Claire and Rose are manipulative, too? Wow, funny how writing things down gets the brain working overtime. i never thought of any of this before, lol.

[rasalghul]

Speaking of Sun would may not be able to have children, I was rewatching the episode "Homecoming" and there was this strange scene between Sun and Jin.

Claire has just been brought back by Locke and she was being examined by Jack then Jin said to Sun he was wondering if Claire was OK, Sun said she thinks so, then Jin ask if she thought the baby is OK and he had that strange look at Sun, who didn't watch Jin but said that the baby seems to be fine, and she seemed lost in her thoughts.

The whole scene made me think that maybe she cannot have children and this idea crossed my mind before I read this thread. So it's clearly possible that Sun cannot have children.

[Jeremy]

interesting with the Sun-Baby, don't know if it is true, but it is interesting.