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Post by bruce on Mar 25, 2010 20:37:34 GMT -5
Perhaps that was Jacob's way of fixing Richard.
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 26, 2010 8:02:22 GMT -5
Jacob said himself he can't absolve sins.
But maybe for the writer's sake of allusion and all that...yes.
For those who also watch FlashForward...did it remind anyone else of Nicole's flash? I immediately thought "Oh, she must just meet Jacob in the Island later! Haha!"
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Post by bobdole369 on Mar 26, 2010 14:36:40 GMT -5
No. The whole idea was to prove to Richard that he really was alive, and not dead and in hell. I think that somehow relates to the murky pool in the temple. Remember how Sayid struggled as he was presumably drowning?
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Post by bruce on Mar 26, 2010 18:22:28 GMT -5
No. The whole idea was to prove to Richard that he really was alive I know that was the stated meaning, but it seem to look like a baptism. I am not a Christian (I am Jewish) so I do not know all the rites and customs of the religion. It was my understanding that no matter what you do during your life if you take last rites and just accept Jesus as your savior all is forgiven and you go to heaven. We know the priest/clergy that sold Ricardo to the Black Rock was corrupt. Perhaps Jacob does not have the power to absolve sin or lied to Ricardo. Even Ricardo's crime/sin was unintentional man slaughter and theft. He gave all he had to obtain medicine to save Isabella. But when that was not enough in the process of trying to steal the medication the struggle led to the doctor's death. |
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Post by bruce on Mar 26, 2010 18:26:59 GMT -5
For those who also watch FlashForward...did it remind anyone else of Nicole's flash? I immediately thought "Oh, she must just meet Jacob in the Island later! Haha!" That is what inspired my question. When I first saw Nicole drowning in her Flashforward I thought that looks like a Baptism. There was a local public access channel in New York City that would every so often show 2 clergymen baptizing people in this large water tank. It really looked like they were drowning people. Most being pushed down into the water struggled. |
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 27, 2010 22:55:28 GMT -5
Jacob told Richard he couldn't absolve sin...so...I don't think he can.
I think that's to be taken as a clue that Jacob may just be a man like MIB said he was. Jacob is not a god or holy being.
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Post by bruce on Mar 28, 2010 5:02:38 GMT -5
Actually if Jacob is not a Christian clergy he would not absolve sin. That does not mean that Jacob is not holy. Perhaps Jacob represents the old testament or a non Christian belief
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 28, 2010 22:34:58 GMT -5
I don't think Jacob will belong to any certain religion. Lost has more its own mythology.
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Post by jabdo on Mar 29, 2010 15:23:17 GMT -5
No. Baptism is for remission of sins. Jacob was trying to prove he was right- that Richard wasn't dead.
Jacob also wants to prove to MIB that he's right about mankind not being totally corruptible even if a bunch of people have to die in the process.
Jacobs not looking like such a great person...
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 29, 2010 16:14:46 GMT -5
If proving Jacob's point is the key in completely destroying Evil Incarnate...would it be worth the lives it took?
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Post by bruce on Mar 29, 2010 17:01:04 GMT -5
If proving Jacob's point is the key in completely destroying Evil Incarnate...would it be worth the lives it took? No I understand you mean this in a positive way but is that not the argument that terrorists use against America - they are willing to self sacrifice and take as many lives as they can because America is evil. Also If you go further and kill everyone then it does not matter if evil exists or not, either. |
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 29, 2010 21:27:50 GMT -5
Didn't Jesus give himself over to die for our sins (ie...evil).
You can spin it any way you want.
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Post by jabdo on Mar 30, 2010 15:20:29 GMT -5
If proving Jacob's point is the key in completely destroying Evil Incarnate...would it be worth the lives it took? If you were sacrificing yourself, yes. If you sacrificed others or others as well as yourself, not so much. Not to mention, we don't know that MIB is evil incarnate for sure and we don't know that Jacob proving his point will do anything besides give Jacob satisfaction. |
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 30, 2010 16:45:33 GMT -5
Nor do we know all to Jacob's side of things. So it's difficult to say either way.
And didn't Jacob sacrifice himself? He can clearly defend himself but chose not to against Ben.
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Post by bruce on Mar 30, 2010 18:22:10 GMT -5
Did Jacob sacrifice himself or is this just part of his existence. If Jacob is so powerful and he has control of what happens on the island then Ben had a right to be angry with Jacob. Jacob did not intervene when Alex was killed. Jacob is highly manipulative so did he sacrifice himself - No, it is part of his game plan.
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