The boat in Season 5 finale - Not the Black Rock

[bruce]

End of Season 5 when we first meet Jacob and MIB we see a boat approaching what most us we assumed was the Black Rock.

However when the camera pans back we see the statue complete. But when Richard meets up with Jacob only the 4 toe foot is left.

[spinaltumor]

The Statue was destroyed when the Black Rock hit it with the tidal wave. So it would still be there while Jacob and MIB were talking regardless.

However, I'm not sure the Black Rock would be sailing so close in perfect weather, so...it still could be another ship.

[blop]

I think it's the same ship. The storm hit when they were a bit closer. Just because the slaves hadn't yet seen the island doesn't mean the captain/crew hadn't seen it yet.
When the slaves look out the crack, the statue is quite a bit closer than it would have been at that point in the season 5 finale. Also, storms can hit very fast in that area especially, as we've seen.

So yeah, I think it's pretty clear it was the Black Rock.

[bruce]

The weather was perfect when they were sitting on the beach and the ship was pretty close (season 5 finale).
If the statue was destroyed by the Black Rock then there would have been at least some of the destruction still visible when Richard met Jacob. Granted some of the statue would drift off into the ocean but chunks would still remain near the 4 toes.

[blop]

But there are chunks of the statue around the 4 toes...!
I'm not sure what you're trying to say there. Are you saying that you think it wasn't the Black Rock that hit the statue?!?!

Anyways, I posted somewhere else why it was the Black Rock in s5 finale:

I've seen a lot of people saying that the ship seen in the s5 finale was not the Black Rock. But it WAS the Black Rock. I don't see why there's any reason whatsoever to think otherwise, and here's why:

a) How did it go from day to night/storm?
In the season 5 finale, the ship was very far away. When we see them caught in the storm in Ab Aeterno, they seem to be quite a bit closer. It's not uncommon - as we've seen before in the show even - for a sudden storm to brew up. A little time passed between the season 5 finale and the scene in Ab Aeterno, and there's no reason a storm couldn't have risen in that time.

b) If time passed between s5 finale scene and Ab Aeterno scene, why didn't they see the island sooner?
It's very likely that the captain and crew DID see it earlier. But the slaves wouldn't know that. They're stuck down in the bottom of the ship, and it's not like the crew would inform them if they see land, no matter how bizarre it is. The slaves only had reason to look out once they were caught in the storm, and so that's when they first saw the island.

c) But the ships look a little different?
Not really. getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/d374c347ca149d024783315d6596e06d gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=130045&fullsize=1
The big difference between the two pictures is the sails. But that's because in Ab Aeterno they've been torn off by the storm. If you look at the masts, they look identical. Even the pole sticking out the front of the ship.


So yeah, I consider this more fact than theory. I don't see why there's any reason to believe it wasn't the Black Rock in the s5 finale.

Hope that clears things up!

[Uncle Igmar]

Blop, all good and valid reasons - but there is still no proof that is was the Black Rock. Who's to say that the Black Rock was the only ship of that type to have landed on the island. As Jacob said - many people had been called to the island, and in those days there weren't too many ways to get there - actually - pretty much only one way - in ships that looked like The Black Rock.

But then I can argue - with myself here - that while Jacob and Blackie were having their conversation in the Season 5 finale - it was a bright and sunny day while we saw that it was far from that when the Black Rock landed in the jungle. How could that have happened?? We have seen the island flip through different times - going from day to night - calm weather to stormy - so the ship in the finale could have been the Black Rock - but I am in the group who say it wasn't - just because

But what's an even more interesting point - and I saw it either here or on another message board - is that when the Black Rock crashed onto the island - the island would have to have been in the Atlantic Ocean. The ship left from Portsmouth England, landed in the Canary Islands and was headed for North America - The New World (not that I can imagine them calling it that in 1874 since the United States was in existence for almost 100 years at that point - but that's me). This really little more than a trivial point - since we already know that the island moves around.

[bruce]

Blop

What is your evidence that the ship was far away. As Jacob and MIB sit there the entire ship was in full view. It seemed like it was relatively close.

As to your other concern about the ships looking identical or different, something I did not bring up, and I am certainly not a ship expert, but I would assume there were standard ship designs that probably last for centuries.

My concern is in S5 finale we see the statue fully erect, in Ab Aeterno just the foot.

[spinaltumor]

If it wasn't the Black Rock...I don't think we'll get some backstory on some other ship.

Jacob has called different groups of people for a long...so it could be, but it also couldn't be.... Either way, does it matter? The result is the same. The Black Rock smashed the Statue in a tidal wave...that's the major piece of information to draw from this.

When the one slave looks out of the ship while it's still sailing in Ab Aeterno, the statue is clearly seen fully intact (and with breasts, it looks like!). Then the ship heads for the head and kablamo. When Richard walks out onto the beach, there's debris everywhere and parts of the statue are stuck all around.
So I don't see why what the statue looked like in The Incident has to really do with anything...?

[blop]

Like Spinaltumor said, it doesn't REALLY matter if it was the Black Rock. I'm just saying that there's no reason to think it can't be the Black Rock, and it just seems like it would be more meaningful if it is.

[bruce]

When I posted that - I was unaware that the Black Rock destroyed the statue. Having that knowledge now, you are correct it would not be significant if it is the Black Rock or a different ship as we know Jacob has been bringing people to the island for a very long time.

[Miller17]

The black rock destroyed the statue and the pieces were left near the water front.also when I watched the ep I immedietly thought the weather changes so rapidlly on island that it was the black rock in S5 finale no questin! Awesome ep! 10/10

[blop]

Darlton answered if it was the Black Rock or not. From the official lost podcast:

SPOILER: Click to show

It was the Black Rock in the s5 finale