dgibbons316
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Post by dgibbons316 on Mar 13, 2010 3:27:02 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of negative feedback on the sideways, and I've heard some bad thoughts about the sideways. No good anythings, but yet I feel completely different than everyone. I feel fine with the sideways, and treat it like Lost. Lost is complicated, and I feel that a lot of people have "lost" faith in the sideways, which, in my opinion, is giving up on most of Lost. Don't give up. Share your thoughts and feelings about where Lost is going.
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 13, 2010 3:34:53 GMT -5
I'm with you. I haven't found the sideways annoying or stupid. It reminds me of season 1, and I like learning about our favorite characters in a different way.
Plus, if the sideways DO end up being the epilogue in one way or another, then all the more reason to pay attention!
For the show overall, I'm definitely along for the ride. Even theories I don't like or don't agree with that much I still wouldn't care if they turned out to be right. I've come this far with the show, I'm ready to see it to the end smiling for better or worse. Discussing the show so much with other people from all around the world has already been well worth watching all these years. That won't ever not be true, even if Lost ends snowglobe-style (which it won't!).
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Post by julerfan on Mar 13, 2010 12:53:42 GMT -5
I like the Flashsideways but if they don't intersect with the island timeline some how I feel even as an Epilogue that would disappoint me. I feel they could of used all that flashsideways time giving us more detail about what been going on.
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Mar 13, 2010 13:18:26 GMT -5
If I ever lose faith in my theory that the Sideways off island stories are not something that actually happens to the LOSTies down the road - as far as the stories go (obviously they happen in the past of the characters) - then I might be disappointed.
Here's the basic theory - the off island (sideways) stories are the result of someone (Jacob or MIB or a combination of both - or some totally other person/entity) resetting the life stories of everyone currently on the island and with one one more time flip in the works - sinking the island some time before September 22, 2004.
Where they were reset to - I have no idea - but I get the feeling there was some sort of a very large life choice involved - like a "Y" in their personal roads - like maybe Jack decides he can't save Sarah - and ends up marrying someone else. Hurley doesn't have himself committed to Santa Rosa (because no deck collapses) - doesn't hear "THE Numbers" - picks a different set of numbers and becomes "the luckiest guy in the world". See what I mean?
That's the basic theory. If the sideways stories are something else - I may throw my hands up - or shake my fist at the sky and scream "WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?" - but this has been a fun 6 years LOL
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Post by blop on Mar 13, 2010 19:29:00 GMT -5
I love the sideways. Honestly, I wouldn't even mind so much if they didn't end up having a connection to our timeline other than that we see the effects on our characters without the island in their lives.
It's not like we were going crazy complaining with the flashbacks - and that was almost always purely for character development.
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Post by monsterjester on Mar 13, 2010 20:28:33 GMT -5
The only problem I have with the sideways flashes is theoretical. I love the mysteries, red herrings, and rabbit holes of Lost. I love to be surprised by stories. But if the flashes sideways end up having NOTHING to do with the detonation of Jughead, and the split occured sometime after or before, then the presentation of the flashes sideways doesn't make sense. LA X has two beginnings: one in which the bomb detonates and from that moment changes ripple forward through the timeline, changing it. Two: we are AGAIN shown the EXACT same scenes, but instead of blowing up the island the Losties are thrown forward to their correct time where the island still exists. It would seem to me a HUGE cop out for that presentation of the split in the season premiere to be just another red herring; they basically told us we're watching the results of the two possible outcomes of detonating that bomb. I think it was Jay that was saying that he thought the latest episode with Ben's flash sideways where Ben and his father discuss the island and the DHARMA Initiative was evidence that the "sideways" timeline diverges from the original timeline in some way other than Jughead. I felt the scene was evidence that Jughead WAS the cause of the split; Ben and his dad were on the island, Ben got shot, was healed at the Temple pool by Richard, and was then either returned to DHARMA and evacuated on a submarine, or was evacuated with Eloise and some Others, and later reunited with his father on the mainland. Ethan was a baby and evacuated with DHARMA, and Dogen had perhaps never been to the island before Jughead went off, and is therefore present in Jack's flash sideways. I don't think any of this negates the possibility that Jacob and/or Man in Black have somehow tampered with the alternate timeline to grant their side happiness, but without really understanding the extend of Jacob's/Man in Black's abilities that's all speculation. Then again, plenty of others have expressed vexation that the detonation of Jughead would sink the island yet leave DHARMAville, the foot, and all that intact. I personally would like it if it turned out that the effects of the H-bomb going off atop the pocket of electromagnetic energy actually caused the destruction of the Tawaret statue, women's infertility on the island, and the time skipping effects of the frozen donkey wheel, but all in some awesome way I can't imagine, the exotic matter somehow infecting the island, diffused through time. But it's looking more to me like we'll just be expected to swallow that the island is just magical, since why is "not pertinent to the characters." Meh, whatever, I'm still digging it, and along for the ride, but to the original thread: I'm a little dissappointed in the final season so far. Still enjoying the ride, I'll always be a fan of a show this well done and thought-provoking, but a magic mirror that can spy on candidates anywhere? Is it Santa's lighthouse? I still want to know what the heck the frozen donkey wheel is all about! Yargh!
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Post by blop on Mar 13, 2010 23:10:24 GMT -5
Woah big paragraph. I just read the first bit I think that the split was caused by Jughead. I think Ben's dad is just old and forgetful, so he remembered leaving the island but not the exact circumstances (ie. operation-evacuation-from-sinking-island).
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 14, 2010 2:34:57 GMT -5
But YB was with the Others when everyone else was evacuated. So the preceding events leading up to the explosion had to have been different in the sideways.
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Post by monsterjester on Mar 14, 2010 4:21:28 GMT -5
But couldn't Young Ben have been evacuated with everyone else? If he hadn't been returned to the DHARMA Initiative by the time they evacuated on the sub, perhaps the Others had some way off the island, that way we might see Widmore, Eloise, and Farraday in the Flash Sideways.
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Post by blop on Mar 14, 2010 10:57:09 GMT -5
Yeah, we know in the original timeline he returned to DHARMA at some point. It's possible when he evacuated he went back with DHARMA and his dad.
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Post by wiired on Mar 15, 2010 14:22:55 GMT -5
If Lost were a lady, then I'd marry her
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Post by julerfan on Mar 15, 2010 16:13:20 GMT -5
this also has to do with when the timeline split. The flashsideways is as if Oceanic 815 never crashed on the island so therefore our Oceanic 6 never came back to the island, Sayid never time traveled to 1977 and shot Ben. So Ben would not be at the Temple when the incident occured. So assuming there was a mass evacuation of the island Ben and his father could of easily left Dharma before the island sank.
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Post by spinaltumor on Mar 15, 2010 20:14:16 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying, julerfan!
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