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Post by Jack on Sept 26, 2009 8:25:33 GMT -5
These e-mails may have the title to episode 1 in them or other things from Comic-Con
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Post by Jack on Sept 26, 2009 8:40:58 GMT -5
Daniel
Hi Jay and Jack. I've had a theory about what the bomb reset could mean and how they could play it out since the season finale. I didn't write in with it because I figured someone else would have already suggested it. As of your last show, however, no one has. In light of the comic-con hints I feel even stronger about my theory so I'll finally share it. What if the bomb did reset things. Not just for the crash, but everything since the DI and the point of the explosion. Kind of like in Back To The Future, when Doc Brown uses the chalkboard to draw the new timeline. I don't know how it would have affected Kate, but without the Swan the numbers would not have been repeating on that broadcast so the guy in the mental institute that Hurly got them from would never had heard them. Hurly would have come up with numbers on his own and therefore would never come to think them cursed. That is all seemingly apparent from the videos, but my theory is this. What if the "Jacob touch" that we never really found out the reason for was his way of setting it up so that when the timeline splits of the Oceanic passengers, the ones who were touched, in that instant when they don't crash, end up remembering everything that happened. This way, when the plane lands in LA we see the people who died get off and go about their lives. This would make it so the actors who left the show and don't want to be back would just be on for that one episode, or just appear in stock footage made to look like getting off the plane in LA, Michael and Walt for instance. But the main characters that were touched would be freaking out and end up banding together, possibly even greeted in LA by Jacob and sent on his mission to battle DWG. We could also have it revealed in the first few episodes that DWG touched some of our castaways in the same manner and they end up being his army. Then the season could play out as a battle once-and-for-all to see who would get possession of the island pitting the two sides of survivors against one another on behalf of the two mysterious men. Before I get to my crackpot theory I want to address something that I think is obvious but a lot of people who call or write are still trying to figure out. It's the whole Clare dead/not dead, what's up with her in the cabin debate. This is what I think. It was not Jacob in the cabin any time we've seen it, but rather DWG. That means the "help me" Locke heard was not Jacob's plea but his. Jacob trapped him in there with the ash surrounding it. Many traditions hold that salt, ash, or other substances can be used to hold spirits in/out. While he was trapped there he was only able to appear to people using the forms of the dead, but was not physical in being. That is why he was unable to help Locke turn the frozen donkey wheel as Christian. Then he appeared to Clare, who was very much alive, as her father and convinced her to come to the cabin and break the ash ring for him, thus allowing him to take the physical form of the dead John Locke and lead Ben to kill Jacob. Ok, now to my crazy crackpot theory. We've been trying hard to figure out who "Adam and Eve" are...well, what if they are Jacob and DWG. But wait you say, weren't the skeletons a male and a female? Well we know that DWG can and does take the likeness of dead people (Locke and assumed to have been Christian Shepherd) so what if appearing as DWG is just another dead person's form. So, what if they were otherworldly beings, gods, angels, aliens, whatever and somehow ended up on the island and were dying. They impart their power to the island before dying and are then bound to the island able to take the form of the dead. Being supernatural beings their remains don't decay as ours would leading Jack to guess they have only been dead 50 years. So DWG would be a female that we have only seen using the likeness of males. The clues to this could be the black and white rocks. If i remember correctly the female remains had the black rock and DWG was seen wearing a black shirt. The male remains had the white rock, Jacob a white shirt. I know, it's a stretch, but if it wasn't it wouldn't be a crazy crackpot theory. That's all for now, sorry for the book. Let me know what you think. Daniel
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Post by melchizedec on Sept 28, 2009 14:37:19 GMT -5
A couple things to add since shortly after sending the letter I started re-watching from season one. I remember now that the black and white stones were in a bag on one of the skeleton's and not one on each as I originally remembered it. This hasn't derailed my crackpot theory though because in "Raised by Another" I saw something that if viewed through the light of my theory fits perfectly. This will be another book, but bear with me. Raised by Another was the Clare flashback episode with the fortune teller. I forget which episode it was but we later find out the guy wasn't legit. But this doesn't add up with the fact that he seemed to have a genuine vision concerning Clare and seemed to know the plane was destined to get to the island. At the beginning of the episode Clare has a dream in which Locke is at a table with tarot cards scolding her for giving Arron away, which was the warning the fortune teller gave. His eyes have also been replaced with the black and white stones. Since we now know DWG was planning on using Locke could we stretch it a little and say that what if in Clare's dream it was DWG as Locke talking to her. Then the next step in the logic could go something like, since Locke was shown as a fortune teller giving the same warning the fortune teller guy gave and since he was a scam artist and not a real medium but the advice he gave Clare seemed to be real could the link passably be that the guy was channeling DWG who gave the advice and plane ticket to Clare to get her onto the island to eventually break the ash and free him from "Jacob's cabin". Ok, so that was a long run-on sentence, but there was a lot to get out in one chain of thought. ;D So since we have a link from DWG to Locke through FLocke and we assume a connection from DWG to the fortune teller guy, as well as the vision of Locke in Clare's dream, then we also have a connection from DWG to the black and white stones and Adam & Eve in addition to my reasons in my previous letter.
So in conclusion, this is either me grasping at straws or an elaborate and complex insert from Darlton to once more prove they had the end in mind since the beginning.
I hope that made sense to someone other than me at least. Daniel (Melchizedec)
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Post by Jack on Sept 30, 2009 11:22:26 GMT -5
Tom
Jay and Jack,
Thanks for continuing your Lost podcast throughout the hiatus. Helps keep us all from going into withdrawal.
Like everyone else I've been pondering all the official hints about season six and here's what I've come up with:
Oceanic 815 was never 'supposed' to crash. The crash was a fluke due to Desmond's misadventures with Kelvin in the Swan station, that caused the numbers not to be entered, resulting in the electo-magnetic pulse that downed 815. The crash that was supposed to happen was the second one, Aljira 316. The crash of 815 screwed up history and eventually caused the crash of 316 to go screwy, sending some of our heros back in time. The whole point of the 1977 Dharma adventure was to lead to the bomb going off at the time of the incident in order to set the "correct" history in motion. In a way, the universe will "course correct" itself so that the Ajira 316 crash will now happen as it should have.
There will be 18 episodes in season 6. The producers have said that the first six will be devoted to getting everyone onto the same timeline. What I think that means is that we'll get a condensed overview of everyone's lives in the new course corrected timeline (parallel to the one were familiar with), with no crash of Oceanic 815, culminating at the end of the sixth episode with everyone aboard the crashing Ajira 316. This time, since the correct time line is in place, everyone will land on the present day island to make true Jacob's statement that "They're coming." The remaining 12 episodes will work out the story of Jacob and his nemesis and all that we ever wanted to know about the island and its mysteries.
Rose and Bernard are too far away from the blast to be affected and will stay in 1977 and will become Adam and Eve.
The Others were not affected by the time shifting at the beginning of season five. Charlotte Lewis, after she died, was similarly unaffected. Faraday's explanation was that time shifts don't affect dead people. Lets see now. All A are B, and All B are C, ergo All A are C. Ergo, the Others are also "dead" in some way. Remember when Alpert took the wounded Ben and said that he wouldn't be the same. I think Ben actually died and was resurrected as were all the others at some time.
I agree with the woman who thought that the guitar case contains a guitar. I don't believe that Hurley had the case at the time of the flash at the end of the final episode, so I think the whole point was to bring the guitar back to Charlie who somehow will turn up alive on the 1977 island and in need of a guitar. Charlie will be the musician who programs the musical code at the Looking Glass station. Charlie will also be the leader of Geronimo Jackson, since Charlie's middle name is Hieronymus, the Greek form of Geronimo.
Head starting to hurt ...
Thanks for the great podcast, Tom
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Post by Jack on Oct 2, 2009 3:59:59 GMT -5
Darryl
Hi guys, love the show! I believe “LA X” means that the plane will not arrive in LA. I'm picturing a running arrival board showing LA - X. I'm going to list some of the rules we've learned to support my theory, a few examples as evidence of those rules, and then how I think it will play out. 1. Whatever happens happened. A. Daniel's Death B. Daniel warning Charlotte C. The warning to Locke & the compass RICHARD: Next time we see each other, I'm not going to recognize you, alright? You give me this. Alright? LOCKE: What is it? RICHARD: It's a compass. LOCKE: What does it do? RICHARD: It points North, John. D. Young Ben indoctrinated into the Others E. The incident 2. Certain individuals can be pulled out from a plane in a flash and sent elsewhere in time while the other passengers & the plane itself goes elsewhere. A. Ben, Sun, Frank & Dead Locke return to the island B. Jack, Kate, Hurley, & Sayid go to the 70s 3. To recreate the accidental discovery of the island you must recreate the original arrival as closely as possible. A. Eloise Hawking explains this rule 4. It is possible to change events but the Universe will course correct A. Desmond's failed attempts to save Charlie B. Sayid's failed attempt to kill young Ben C. Daniel's failed attempt to not scare the crap out of young Charlotte
So, here's my theory. Jack's plan to change the timestream will be successful because it already was. We'll be taken back to Flight 815 where everybody that has died will be alive but this time our time-traveling Losties will have their memories. All will seem happy and good. However, they won't land happily in LAX. In fact, we already know what happened to the plane and we've known for several years. As whatever happens happened, the plane will again be grabbed by the rampant magnetic field, but this time our favorite Losties, minus Charlie, will be yanked forwards in time to the time of “Jacob's” “death” and with the scenario no longer matching the original crash, the island will flash away leaving Flight 815 to crash in the middle of the ocean, sink, and be found by a scientific submersible. Because of this difference, Jack and crew aren't there to go back in time and change the course of events which causes the normal course to pull flight 815 down and thus we have a perfect loop that still has an entry and exit point for the Losties. On the other side of the loops exit point we have Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Kate & Sayid returned from the past to the future present, and we also have John Locke back alive and kicking (so to speak.) This also fits the bill for Charlie's “Am I Alive?” since the answer is technically Yes for a few minutes but also doesn't require him to take any time away from his other show since he dies almost immediately. Also, we'll discover that the bill of sale to Whidmore was a red herring. He's tried to get back to the island before, we know Eloise already had information about how the Losties got to the island, and we know he's wealthy so purchasing an identical plane to try and get back himself isn't out of the question. Overall, this takes something that we've been through before and thought was resolved and completely turns it on it's head without taking away from what we already knew. Doesn't that feel like something Darlton would do? So, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. Keep on keepin' on!
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Post by Jack on Oct 3, 2009 12:26:01 GMT -5
Chris
Hey Jay and Jack,
This is Chris from Miami. I was at your panel at comic-con and had a great time! I was the guy sitting on the floor in front of your table that brought up the possibility that the Hurley/Kate vids were from an alternate timeline. Anyway, I have been thinking about this a lot and came up with some ideas a few weeks ago but I’m just now getting a chance to share them with you. Here it goes. I think that the explosion from the finale has in fact created an alternate time line. Dharma may have never come back after the explosion. The hatch may never have been built. Next season we will see the important people still make it to the island but for different reasons. In other words, the universe will course correct. Like Hurley visiting his Chicken Shacks in Australia and Kate being arrested for the murder of her step fathers assistant instead of her stepfather. The characters we know will be different people since major events in their lives will have changed. Hurley for one will be more confident and feel less guilty. I think this is what Jacob meant when he said “It only ends once, everything else is progress”. In fact, it is very possible that this has happened over and over again and there is a time loop on the island. The compass hinted towards this. Who knows, maybe the rumors we heard about the initial pilots script will come into light. Maybe Jack dies and Sawyer is the Wall Street exec instead of the street con man. I also think that we are going to get a new form of storytelling instead of the standard flashbacks and flashforwards. I think we are going to get flashbacks from the new timeline that fill us in on how that huge change of events (big rock in the pond) has created the new personalities we will see with the characters. I also think we have already seen this happen. The flashbacks from the finale with Jacob, I think, were our first glimpse at this. I think these events are what lead them to the island in the new timeline. Kate when she was little, Sawyer when his parents died, etc. In Sayid’s flashback we see him with Nadia. It is possible he married her early on and didn’t go through the military life and isn’t tortured by his past. She gets hit by the car and says “Take me home.” This could be what makes him board the plane. One last thought, the first crash happened in 2004. The writers leaped ahead to 2007 with Ajira. Will the 3rd crash happen in 2010? This would fit with the Oceanic commercial we saw at comic-con. I think the writers will do this to avoid the whole “everything up until now means nothing and it all is going to start over” feeling if Jack wakes up in 2004 and they rewrite everything from day one. Sorry this was so long! I had a lot bottled up and it was hard getting it written down . Tell me what you think and feel free to discuss this on the podcast.
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Post by Jack on Oct 4, 2009 1:40:31 GMT -5
Margaret
Hi Jay and Jack,
Love your show and have been listening from the beginning but never had the guts to call.
I have four or perhaps five comments.
I was wondering if anyone has ever wondered about a scene that begins with one eye opening, can this mean anything? I geekly was keeping count of who's eye was being seen opening and which eye opens. Ironically, Jack and Claire are the only ones that the right eye opens (although, once in May of last year, Jack left eye opens--I forget what episode that was but it aired May 1, 2008 and also this year when he landed back on the island). But all the lefties have included Sun, Boone, Sawyer (as a kid), Desmond, Juliette, Micheal and Locke. I didn't keep track this year as much. But I always wondered if there was any significance.
This other comment could be connected to my first comment. If there will be two existence of the LOSTies (ie in LA and on the island) maybe this connects to the Faraday's girlfriend in the coma and Desmond in The Constant. And maybe somehow the one eye being seen is telling us which existence is occurring. I know that this is way out there, but I really think the eye thing is for a reason. Why is it that every time an eye is shown it is always the left for everyone except for Jack and Claire.
The next comment has to do with an episode in the first season "Raised by another". In this episode, Claire has a dream and in it John Locke is at a card table and appears to be playing solitaire. He says to Claire, "You should have raised him." Claire asks who and is confused because she hasn't given birth yet but John keeps saying that she didn't raise him and because of her bad things happen. Then John looks up at Claire and says, "and bad things happened", he had one eye that the eyeball was blackened and the other eye either normal or light. Could this have been the smoke monster Locke (ie. Jacob's counterpart?).
Oh and by the way, last comment, Locke is dead but alive. I believe the smoke monster takes the pictures of one's soul and life and able to take on the image and memory of the being it takes over, so Locke IS he who is not named (Jacobs counterpart or what did y'all call him GDW? or DWG, I forget) but we will still see Locke and he will still have his memories. Oh, and remember the scene with Ben and his daughter when the dtr. warned Ben to follow everything Locke tells him to do? It was very convenient that Locke went away to get rope. That is because he took form as the daughter. When Ben told Locke that he had to follow everything, Locke knew Ben believed his dtr. and that everything was solid now with his plan to kill Jacob because Locke knew HE COULDN'T KILL Jacob but Ben could. HEY, and Ben CAN'T KILL Whitmore! Could this mean because for Ben he was in the alternate reality? And why Michael couldn't kill himself? Is it like Desmond in The Constant one of the realities has rules of what you can accomplish and cannot. Michael could not KILL himself. But I think I am switching subjects, I don't know! My head hurt sometimes just thinking about all this.
Thanks for reading to my crazy thought but it is so nice to hear yours and your fans obsessions as well!!!!
Margaret from Yorktown Heights, New York
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