jeff buckley IS overrated.

[Sarah]

Nick Drake - FABULOUS! I agree with you whole-heartedly and I enjoy Jeff Buckley quite a bit...but in a way I do have to agree with what Jack said on the Ramblecast - he may have done more and been applauded and loved by millions but we can never truly be sure. I am in the opinion, however, that Grace was really a beautiful album that I'm sure has influenced many in the music biz today.

And at the same time....I listen to waaaaaay to many different kinds of music to be able to defend one over the other.

[Colleen]

I think that the people are still waiting for good ole LL Bitter J's response...

[fudai]

Jay,

I'm really disappointed you chose a cover of a Smiths song for "The S Word" Ramblecast. This orignal by Morrissey outshines this version on so many levels. I wonder why you didn't just pick the original for your comparison. Are you a Smiths/Morrissey fan and has Jack ever listened to the original version? I'm curious which one you both think is better...?

Love the Podcasts!

Tom in Okinawa

[thepiedpiper]

i've lost 3 karma points since starting this thread -sniff- just for giving my opinion?

snot very nice -blows raspberry-

[Steve]

thepiedpiper said:

i've lost 3 karma points since starting this thread -sniff- just for giving my opinion?

snot very nice -blows raspberry-

I lost four karma points in a few days, and i didn't really even voice my opinion much, so don't sweat it.

[Colleen]

thepiedpiper said:

i've lost 3 karma points since starting this thread -sniff- just for giving my opinion?

snot very nice -blows raspberry-

+5 to get you back

[thepiedpiper]

thanks

[Samuel]

JEFF BUCKLEY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jay]

colleen said:

I think that the people are still waiting for good ole LL Bitter J's response...

My response is that not everyone is going to like everything. Everyone has their preferences in music and especially voice. But for me there is a difference between a singer who thinks that because they sing they are a musician, and a singer who sings and is a musician.

There are few of the later, were their voice is truly a musical instrument. For me Buckley is one of those few, his range and emotion that you hear in his voice is amazing. Music is supposed to make you feel, and a musician/vocalist that can do that on his or her own is something very very special. He could do a cover of the "By Mennen" jingle and turn it into something amazing. Thats why i say i know he would have continued making great music.

I think i may have said it wrong in that I knew he would have been huge or successful. To me making a great album with great music is being successful. Where chart rankings, and how many copies are sold is secondary to me in terms of success. Buckley would have continued making great music no questions asked, people with a creative mind like his can. People like Vanilla Ice, and Scott Stap can't

So in short, whether you like him or not you gotta give Buckley credit. He has continually gained fans year after year without any touring, or new albums to support him. Just One full length studio album, and I don't care what you say that isn't an easy task.

[cellardoor]

Whoever posted this thread (and I really couldn't give them the time of day), really should have thought about what they said.
When Jeff Buckley died, the world recognised it as the death of a genius. It was more, bringing him to their attention to him than making him overrated.

And as far as him only bieng sucessful because of his death: I remind you 'Grace' peaked on the Billboard 200 at 149. Is this sucess? Perhaps it has sold platinum a few times over, steadily but this was inevitable. I have already explained what his death did - bring him to the public eye.

However, I hardly think that people bought his album: "Just to see what this dead dude did." No, they did it because of his music. Perhaps he wouldn't have been as "sucessful" with a second album had he been alive, but I know it would have still been incredible music.

I don't actually see how you could overrate someone as naturally talented as him, it is only shining a light on an already bright spark.

If you really want to talk overrated, we must bring to attention brilliant bands like: The Strokes. Yes, their debut Is This It was fantastic, but they really didn't have the diversity, the song-writing ability, the power to transform a mundane tune into something blissful or the creative talent of Jeff Buckley.

He is someone you can only listen to if you are worthy of him. We get songs today that are catchy with a good tune but no SUBSTANCE. This is where Jeff Buckley rises above, like a phoenix.
Songs like So Real, and Lilac Wine - just echo genius.

Continuing with Lilac Wine: it is songs like this that really are a showcase of his talent. The opening line: "I lost myself..." brings chills to the spines of the eighty-eight year old generation.
Perhaps, Buckley would be overrated if he did not burn with a fire of passion, emotion and poignancy, but he does.

In fact, Jeff Buckley has really written some of the greatest songs ever. Some artists have one song that will be remembered for an eternity. Jeff Buckley, however, will be immortalized as a deity.

He is a trophy in an almost empty cabinet of the twentieth century, and he raised the bar so high that any artist in the last millenium falls palingly short beneath him.

Jay spoke of how not everyone will like everything. Yes this is true for things like: "Umbrella" which has reigned for seven weeks, but with Jeff Buckley - you are either deaf or ridiculously uncultured.





This is the opinion of a thirteen year old. So I say to you: grow up.

[Colleen]

admin said:

So in short, whether you like him or not you gotta give Buckley credit. He has continually gained fans year after year without any touring, or new albums to support him. Just One full length studio album, and I don't care what you say that isn't an easy task.

Hear, hear! (For both J & C.D.)

[cellardoor]

colleen said:

admin said:

So in short, whether you like him or not you gotta give Buckley credit. He has continually gained fans year after year without any touring, or new albums to support him. Just One full length studio album, and I don't care what you say that isn't an easy task.

Hear, hear! (For both J & C.D.)

But most of the Kudos goes to you. I just realised who you look like! (Who's famous...I'll keep it a secret for a while)

[Truthiness]

I agree. Buckley is overrated. He doesn't suck, but excitable music fan boys like jay tend to make way too big of a deal about him just because he's dead.

[Steve]

He's good. I do agree that he's overrated though. Why? He just isn't all that special to me. You can say he puts a lot of feeling into his music, but it just doesn't sound that great to me. And to Cellar Door - I think that The Strokes are overrated. Along with 90% of today's music. So just because I don't admire Jeff Buckley for musical talent means that I am "ridiculously uncultured and deaf?" Actually, I am ridiculously cultured and I can hear perfectly fine thank you. (But - I can see the point that other people are making, dead people like Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison are very overrated.)

[Nick"The Noid"]

(But - I can see the point that other people are making, dead people like Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison are very overrated.)

Whoa, Whoa there! I understand and agree with most of what you were saying here, but Kurt Cobain and Jim Morrison are not overrated. If you wanna say that their particular brand of music isn't that appealing to you that's one thing, but in terms of musical influence and the changing of society, Kurt and Jim are very important. Not only did they both create a sound that is unique and can only be refered to as them, they changed the way people approached music from their debut on.

Jim Morrison with his dark imagary in his lyrics, his almost tribal stage performance, and his in your face approach to authority figures. What had come before that? Very bubble gum pop of the time, The Beach Boys, The Supremes..etc. I'm saying that before that time music had been very innocent and tame..., but not after the Doors.

Kurt Kobain is very simular in the fact that before Nirvana all you had was the hair band formula and teen pop stars. Nirvana turned the industry on its butt. They broke the mold power ballads and love songs the MTV generation industries could easily sell to the public.

Notice I never mention their music, but you have to admit to what they did that changed the industry. Jeff Buckley never did that, but I do like his music.

For what it's worth......