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Post by dharmachili on Sept 16, 2006 0:57:25 GMT -5
Well, many companies are making disc players for these new media discs and they are extremely expensive. The Blu-Ray Disc player is about 1 grand alone and the discs are about $30. I haven't seen the H-D DVD players or their discs released on the market yet but I read a magazine article about both a few months ago.
Blu-Ray Discs are just extremely high-capacity versions of DVD's. They, on average, hold 50 gigs, as opposed to DVD's which held about four and a half.
H-D DVD's are extremely high quality DVD's which are mainly meant to be played on 50 inch televisions, etc. They hold less than the Blu-Ray Discs but they are much higher ranked in quality.
What are you guys' thoughts?
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Post by on Sept 16, 2006 0:59:24 GMT -5
Blu-ray sounds crazy, but I really don't need it, although I wouldn't mind having it around. The PS3 has one built in, which is one of the reasons for the high price tag. Also I don't have a 50' screen and I'm bored of DVD's, so I guess i'll go with Blu-ray.
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Post by dharmachili on Sept 16, 2006 1:03:38 GMT -5
Yeah, H-D DVD's are very unreasonable from what I think. They are a crapload more expensive than BD's and the only thing they do special is bring a clearer picture for the enormous screen users.
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Post by Tucker on Sept 16, 2006 5:36:36 GMT -5
actually, blu ray players cost more than hd dvd players the hd dvd movies themselves cost the same as blu ray www.play.com/DVD/HD%20DVD/NAVSUB/5-/RegionHome.htmlim going with hd dvd, for many reasons, players are cheaper, the dvd name is well established, whenever you buy a movie when u have one of the next generation disc's, it sounds better if you say " lets go watch/rent a (hd) dvd", than saying "let go watch/rent a blu ray" ;D  |
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Post by Shinra on Sept 16, 2006 10:14:21 GMT -5
Are you high? Blue Ray is about 508974x better. It holds 27gb per layer (54gb double layred).
DVD's: 4.5 gb per layer.. 9gb double layered. Mark my words, this HUGE advantage in memory will be the reason ps3 will be better than xbox 360 and wii eventually. It's got near endless space on a single disc, so its games can have incredible graphics and still have room for all the core features
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Post by Mexican Coke on Sept 16, 2006 10:29:39 GMT -5
The main problems Sony is having right now especially preparing for launch, is adding the technology to play Blue Ray. And the reason it will only have 400,000 out by November. Most people are going to have to dig deep in their pockets to get the most out of the PS3, which seems very arrogant to me that Sony is putting people in a position to have to buy a new TV along with these Blue Ray discs, not to mention the $70+ games in order for you to be satisfied. Its going to hard getting people to get this, and the whole Blu-Ray, HD-DVD battle is also being called by some the death of the tradional movie theater. Why go to the movies if you can just wait till later to buy it on on of these discs with the same look as a movie screen?
As far as memory, obviously, Sony seems only geared toward making games that are visually stunning, but that doesn't necessarily make the games better, and really only applies to the advanced gamer. Yeah its games are pretty, but is that what gamers really want? I'm so glad Nintendo is trying to break people out of that mindframe that graphics are everything, its gameplay that's key and how you as a gamer enjoy games more. Not only more but for more people to enjoy.
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Post by wannabeactuary on Sept 16, 2006 10:40:08 GMT -5
I'm not doing either until I see what happens with the format war...
I've got two 50 inch DLP sets...but both are 720p, not 1080p, since I've had them for a while...when it's time to upgrade, I'll see then
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Post by dharmashark on Sept 16, 2006 11:18:11 GMT -5
Wow, you guys are going crazy in here. All this techno-gibberish makes my brain hurt, so I'm just gonna keep things simple and vote for them good ol' regular DVD's.
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Post by Tucker on Sept 16, 2006 12:23:14 GMT -5
Are you high? Blue Ray is about 508974x better. It holds 27gb per layer (54gb double layred). DVD's: 4.5 gb per layer.. 9gb double layered. Mark my words, this HUGE advantage in memory will be the reason ps3 will be better than xbox 360 and wii eventually. It's got near endless space on a single disc, so its games can have incredible graphics and still have room for all the core features its quality not quantity why did u compare a blu ray, next gen disc, with dvd, 'current gen' disc? blu rays competition is the hd dvd, the hd dvd can hold 15gb single, 30gb dual. 15gb is enough for a high def movie. games - if you have played oblivion for 360, you will be speachless at how big it is, and they managed to fit that onto a dvd 9. so im not bothered about the size of the game discs, and mark these words - a dvd 9 will be big enoguh for 360 games, and they will be good ( gears of war, halo 3) due to new compression techniques anywho, lets just wait and see  ( europeans have to wait till march 2007 ;D ) |
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Post by Shinra on Sept 16, 2006 14:17:50 GMT -5
right now a 9g dvd may be good enough for a game. but in a few years as developers expand to take full advantages of ps3 and 360's incredible processors, that size limit will really put a drag on them. any1 know what wii will be using?
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Post by dharmachili on Sept 16, 2006 14:57:05 GMT -5
actually, blu ray players cost more than hd dvd players the hd dvd movies themselves cost the same as blu ray www.play.com/DVD/HD%20DVD/NAVSUB/5-/RegionHome.htmlim going with hd dvd, for many reasons, players are cheaper, the dvd name is well established, whenever you buy a movie when u have one of the next generation disc's, it sounds better if you say " lets go watch/rent a (hd) dvd", than saying "let go watch/rent a blu ray" ;D If Blu-Rays do cost more than H-D DVD's then sorry, but I thought that they were more. Anyways, it doesnt matter what sounds better. Blu-Rays are actually called "BD's" and although H-D DVD's are a lost better quality, I believe that Blu-Rays will go farther than H-D DVD's because of their capacity. The ps3 was smart in choosing BD's because they are great for video games so they can have much better quality. H-D DVD's are a bit of a waste because they are about the same price as the BD's and they hold a lot less. But I agree that the ps3 will eventually out-sell the xbox360 and wii. |
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Post by Dragavan on Sept 16, 2006 16:38:34 GMT -5
The big issue here is not which one is better (just as that had nothing to do with the VHS vs Beta wars back in the days of video cassettes), but proprietary ownership and market share. The "better" product is not necessarily going to win out (Beta was far superior to VHS). The format that gets the most corporate push and support will eventually win out, which is only in small part effected by the consumers.
Blue Ray is owned by Sony/Philips. Anyone who wants to make a Blue Ray player, disk, game, or any related device will have to pay Sony for the right to do so. This was what they wanted with Beta tapes and with MMCD (original name of Sony's version of standard DVDs that were abandoned in favor for Toshiba's version by the industry), but they always lost out because of demanding too much for right to use their formats, both in cost and restrictions (and wanting too much of the market share overall).
HD-DVD is owned by a group lead by Toshiba (again, just as was Sony's opponent with the DVD wars of years ago). This group tends to ask less of those wanting to use their technology, in cost and restrictions, even though they tend to make technically lesser products. This could lead to them again winning out over all and leaving us with a good (but not as good as the opponent had) less expensive format.
Choosing the industry standard has never had anything to do with what the customer actually wants. If you took and the technical specs of every major format that was industry standard over the years and compared it to the competition it beat out, you would see a sad trend. The industry standards are not as good as what they beat out. Audio Cassettes, VHS Tapes, CDs, DVDs, and even many electronic standards for formats on the computer all have the same thing in common: They were the winners of the format wars because of company politics and practices, not overall quality.
In the end big money will decide this for us and the general public will not argue (and most won't even know). They will take what becomes the standard and hail it as the best (even if it wasn't) new thing. The winning company or group will rake in the bucks because everyone who wants to make High End DVD players or disks will pay the winner to use their format. The loser will go on about working on the NEXT big format change for ten years (yes, these have been in the works for that long) before starting the wars all over again.
I think HD-DVD will win. Not because it is better, but because Sony will screw it up in the industry. They always have. They demand too much control and payment for use of their proprietary systems and formats, so the industry will most likely move the other direction. We will have (much as we did with the VHS/Beta wars) a period of about five years where we will have both be marketed to the public heavily, but Blue Ray will slowly fade out and only end up being used for Sony PS3 games (and movies produced by Sony, although I bet you they would also put out an HD-DVD version of these movies once the market drops Blue Ray in general).
Sony has always done this (as have Nintendo and many other companies). Keeping too tight of control over your formats and demanding too much to use them will only end up turning away your allies in the market and shrinking your share. This is why Nintendo has always had far fewer games than the other consoles; they charge too much to use the proprietary Nintendo game formats (be it cartridge or mini-disk), driving many game makers to just develop for other systems that would cost them less (which means less risk on their part). The only place Sony didn't do this is with their PS and PS2, but I think that was more of a case of having no set format they were trying to push at the time. Look at what they did with the PSP? Has the UMD format gone anywhere?
As for my vote... I will go with the technical specs. Blue Ray is "Better" as far as formats and size and storage go. It will not be the standard. Just as Beta was "Better" back when video tapes came out. The only Blue Ray player I will ever buy will be a PS3, but that won't be to play movies.
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Post by wannabeactuary on Sept 17, 2006 12:43:16 GMT -5
dragavan is on the right track...
and on top of that, keep in mind it depend what studios sign deals with what formats...some have signed with both, but others have only signed with one or the other.
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Post by Mexican Coke on Sept 19, 2006 9:01:24 GMT -5
From G4TV.com: [glow=red,2,300] HD DVD + Blu-Ray + DVD = Awesome[/glow] The word on the street is that the battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray has been keeping you from going ga-ga over HD quality movies. Enter two engineers that have put in a patent for a hybrid disc that can not only hold one format, but all three! That's right, you too will be able to experience the quality of watching a high-def movie in the comfort of your own home. The nice part will be that you could actually buy one player and not find yourself sitting with a Betamax that goes the way of the Do-Do bird. No timeframe has been given as to when this might hit the streets, but for sure there will be some big wigs at Sony and Toshiba that will be battling it out as to who gets top billing on the packaging. Oh, and instead of spending 30 bucks for a movie, it might be more like 60. Doh! www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/TheFeed/post/644621/HD_DVD__BluRay__DVD__Awesome.html#commentswww.engadget.com/2006/09/18/threes-company-warner-patents-all-in-one-hybrid-disc/ |
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Post by SK on Sept 19, 2006 15:49:11 GMT -5
I personally like DVDs the best because that's what I can afford. I guess if I were and heiress or something I'd like Blu-ray, but since I'm not... DVDs off the clearance rack it is!
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( europeans have to wait till march 2007 ;D )
