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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 25, 2007 9:38:54 GMT -5
I get the feeling - based on what I have read in ome spoilers and from the way that "The Others" reacted to the arrival of Flight 815 that they were expecting it.
This is pure supposition on my part - but I think that the pregnant woman that Juliet witnessed dying on the operating table was the LAST pregnant woman in their camp before the crash.
Good old Jacob either arranged - or predicted - or both - that 815 would crash and that they would have more expectant mothers with which they could grow their ranks. I believe that Sun was pregnant when she got on the plane - so that made for at least 2 pregnant women.
As for Jacob - and this is based on a spoiler that I think we'll get to at the end of tonight's episode - the real crash was covered up and another crash was made to take it's place - one where everyone on board was killed - or at least reported to be killed.
Or I could be totally wrong 
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Apr 25, 2007 10:01:04 GMT -5
Ok, Uncle, I think you could be right on this, but I'll take the contra view. I'm going to go the other way and say 815 was a surprise to Ben and the Others, and probably Jacob as well.
I think if there was any manipulation of the losties to get onto the plane it was by people tied to the ring lady and the monk, and not the others.
Hopefully we'll have a clue on this by the end of the season...
JLSK
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Post by matt on Apr 25, 2007 10:38:56 GMT -5
I think that perhaps they were expecting the plane to arrive, but perhaps not crash. The work they were doing on Alcatraz? Perhaps they were constructing or extending a runway for the plane to land on. Or perhaps it was an early, unknown Christmas present. But not random. |
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 25, 2007 10:57:58 GMT -5
Well - I kind of base what I said on one spoiler I read ( and to be honest - I forget where it was) which said something to the effect that Naomi tells the LOSTies - after hearing that they are the survivors of 815 - that 815 was discovered and all aboard were dead. The "fact" that they were all dead would have to be established rather quickly so that any rescue activities would be shut down - and lessen the possibility of someone stumbling across the LOST island - unless of course you're someone "with enough money that you can find anyone" and have some crazy Portugese Parachuting Babes at your disposal I still think that The Others knew the plane was coming - whether because it was caused by their contacts in the outseide world - or Jacob made a mystical prediction Something tells me that the contacts that The Others have in the outside world are powerful enough to pull a cover-up - the hiding of the "real" 815 from the rest of the world. [/spoiler] |
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Post by dsquared on Apr 25, 2007 11:21:29 GMT -5
JLSK's dual-timeline theory is the only one that makes any sense to me, vis-a-vis the crash of Flight 815. In fact, if it's not the solution to this LOST mystery, it should be. I'm going all-in with you, JLSK! Don't let me down.  |
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Apr 25, 2007 11:54:51 GMT -5
I honestly could see it going either way, but the whole thing with Desmond seeing the future and the producers coming out and saying that Desmond did actually go back in time, along with the two photos, pretty much makes me think it is going with a dual time line thing. The problem I will have if it doesn't go that way, is that they will have a lot of explaining to do about everything they've put in place to make us think something weird is going on with time...
And let me just say that until the producers came out and said Des went back in time, I'd pretty much decided that it was all a dream/vision that Desmond had, which would explain the sounds from the hatch and the numbers showing up, etc.
I just hope that some of this is cleared up a bit before the end of the season...
JLSK
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Post by benxtaron on Apr 25, 2007 12:09:43 GMT -5
The dual time theory would explain why the two year time difference between the island and the real world. But I would honestly like it if the whole thing was set up: The Hostiles or Jacob gets Kelvin to lead Dez away from the hatch, so that by the time he gets back, the magnet would have pulled the plane off course and break it apart. I think this makes the most sense because the Others need women to try to impregnate so their work can continue, so Jacob blessed them by crashing the plane. Then, so nobody would go to look for it, they staged another crash, and proclaimed that there were no survivors, thus allowing the others to do whatever is necessary to fix their problem.
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 26, 2007 9:46:06 GMT -5
JLSK - I like your "Dual Timeline" theory - I don't think that's what happened - but I like it. I am still - maybe the only one - in the "Desmond didn't actually go anywhere after he turned the Failsafe Key" Camp.
I am definitely in the "The Crash was planned and covered up" Camp. The timeline has run straight and true from September 22, 2004 until whatever date it is on the island some three months later. The was planned and the cover-up was ready to go - the plane having been drawn to the island by that secret piece of equipment I have theorized was developed as a way for DHARMA to get to and from the island without any trouble. You put one of those on a plane - without anyone on the plane actuall knowing about it - the planes is dragged "1000 miles off course" and there you have it.
Covering something like that up would be relatively easy - I mean the world is told that the plane disappeared "somewhere over the Pacific" and with that thought planted in the public psyche - the next step is easy - considering how huge the Pacific Ocean is. "Guess what - we found the plane - nobody alive - very sad - get on with your lives - bye." End of looking for Good Old Flight 815.
On top of that - Jacob told The Others it would be coming. They had already lost 9 women - maybe the only ones of child bearing age aside from Alex - and they needed more. Odds were that at least a few would survive a crash like that.
Anyway - there ya have yet another installment in my ongoing theory. I really can't wait to see how it all works out.
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Post by kimeee on Apr 26, 2007 10:25:48 GMT -5
but uncle igmar... damon and carlton have mentioned two words repeatedly this season lost time how would u explain this in regards to the staged crash? |
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Apr 26, 2007 11:57:19 GMT -5
JLSK - I like your "Dual Timeline" theory - I don't think that's what happened - but I like it. I am still - maybe the only one - in the "Desmond didn't actually go anywhere after he turned the Failsafe Key" Camp.
I am definitely in the "The Crash was planned and covered up" Camp. The timeline has run straight and true from September 22, 2004 until whatever date it is on the island some three months later. The was planned and the cover-up was ready to go - the plane having been drawn to the island by that secret piece of equipment I have theorized was developed as a way for DHARMA to get to and from the island without any trouble. You put one of those on a plane - without anyone on the plane actuall knowing about it - the planes is dragged "1000 miles off course" and there you have it.
Covering something like that up would be relatively easy - I mean the world is told that the plane disappeared "somewhere over the Pacific" and with that thought planted in the public psyche - the next step is easy - considering how huge the Pacific Ocean is. "Guess what - we found the plane - nobody alive - very sad - get on with your lives - bye." End of looking for Good Old Flight 815.
On top of that - Jacob told The Others it would be coming. They had already lost 9 women - maybe the only ones of child bearing age aside from Alex - and they needed more. Odds were that at least a few would survive a crash like that.
Anyway - there ya have yet another installment in my ongoing theory. I really can't wait to see how it all works out. My big question is: Why bother faking the 815 crash??? We know 815 was a thousand miles off course, apparently on an island that is very, very hard to get to or find. Ok, so the flight disappears in the Ocean, rescuers spend 2 weeks looking for wreckage in the wrong area of the ocean and find nothing. How is that end result really any different than the Others faking the crash? Except by faking the crash, the Others have to spend a ton of time and resources, and they risk the chance of discovery? Those seem like reasons to not fake it. And, in addition, I totally agreed that Desmond didn't time travel back... Until Damon and Carlton basically said that yes he did. Should we just assume they lie in their podcast? They certainly poke around the truth sometimes, but even with Mikhail, they left it open that he might still be alive. Finally, everything I've seen shows that 815 was a complete surprise to the Others, and in fact the crash wasn't even tied to them, but to Desmond. You think that Jacob told them it was coming ahead of time? Based on what? |
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Post by dsquared on Apr 26, 2007 13:23:31 GMT -5
Sorry, Iggie -- not buying it. There's no such thing as the plane being "dragged 1000 miles off course" without the pilots' knowledge. If that's what happened, we would have heard it from the Captain's mouth in Ep. 1: "We were being dragged 1000 miles off course and didn't have a clue what was going on!"
Instead, we heard "We turned back toward Fiji because the radio went out, then we hit turbulence." (paraphrased)
I agree that the Losties are there for a reason, whether it be the "will" of the Island, Dharma, the monk, Hanso, whatever.....
But I'm not seeing enough evidence yet of any specific reason why Flt 815 was in the vicinity of The Island when Desmond did his little "oopsie" in the Swan hatch. I suppose the pilot(s) could have been in on the grand conspiracy, but...suicide mission? I don't think so. I hope the writers will clear this up..cause it's driving us all nuts!
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 26, 2007 13:37:22 GMT -5
Well dsquared - as the resident pilot here - I would of course bow to your expertise in the area - but as the one who thought of the "Secret Grab Your Plane and Drag it 1000 Miles Off Course and Crash it on a Very Specific Island that Nobody Can See" Device - I am sticking to my theory LOL
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Post by dsquared on Apr 26, 2007 18:10:52 GMT -5
Well, as the author of the "Sawyer will sacifice himself to get Jack and Kate off the mini-island" theory, I guarantee you that any expertise I have won't win me any tally contests. lol
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 27, 2007 5:11:09 GMT -5
Well, as the author of the "Sawyer will sacifice himself to get Jack and Kate off the mini-island" theory, I guarantee you that any expertise I have won't win me any tally contests. lol LOL - I think we should have a "Most Off The Wall - but Totally New - Theory" contest |
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