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Post by jacksloststepkid on Oct 20, 2006 19:14:03 GMT -5
It's pretty good and pretty long: some mildy spoilerish material, but not too much. For example: This is a theme we're very much exploring in Season 3, this notion of "us versus them." And who is us? And who is them? I mean I think we all tend to objectify people who we don't know much about and I think that's the audience's view of The Others right now — they are bad, they are the malevolent force on the island. But over the course of the stories we're going to be telling this season on the show we expect the audience's view of The Others to change a lot. abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2553741&page=1JLSK
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Oct 20, 2006 19:20:01 GMT -5
Another great quote that made me realize this is a transcript from a video interview. TAPPER: I was amazed to find out in my research that the incomprehensible whispers of The Others are actual lines you've written — people actually saying things and viewers are downloading and listening carefully over and over and over and deciphering what they're saying. Or that when Walt appeared as an apparition to Shannon he said something that if you play it backwards Beatles style, you could hear what he was saying.
CUSE: He's saying: "Watch 'Nightline.'"
TAPPER: I wondered why our ratings were up. Video Link: abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2580419
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Post by Emily on Oct 20, 2006 21:11:21 GMT -5
Well, this should be exciting lol. Thanks, exsalt you, brother My view of the others has changed alot over the last two seasons....I think it will continue to change. They can be evil, but we also know there is more then one group of Others. Juliet is proof that we should not play these people to be that one dimental, even though I know for a fact I will hate Ben with a passion next week
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Oct 20, 2006 22:27:15 GMT -5
yeah - I agree about Benry Based on the preview, I don't think he'll be earning any brownie points this next week with the fans.
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2006 10:34:46 GMT -5
So basically all those Flight 815 models are red herrings. They have little or no significance. I wonder what else.
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Oct 22, 2006 10:36:50 GMT -5
why do you say that the 815 models are red herrings?
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Post by matt on Oct 22, 2006 22:29:41 GMT -5
I think like many people I put a deeper significance on the toy Oceanic airplanes. They seemed to hint at a deeper connection between Kate and the airplane. But as Cuse notes,
"Most things have a reason. Some things we just throw in there. Some things we throw in there sort of self-referentially. We'll do things in the show that acknowledge people's theories about the show. We'll do things in the show that acknowledge people's theories about the show."
"The book "Incident at Owl Creek" we put in as a shout to people who are theorizing that this whole show was taking place in someone's mind in the last moments of their life. Sometimes a plane is just a plane, but most times we think these things through, they have meaning and they are part of our mythology of the show."
and as Lindleof notes,
"Kate's plane is probably the biggest single biggest regret that we have as storytellers. The idea was, we introduced in an episode where in her flashback she's holding up a bank essentially to get into a safety deposit box. On the island she's trying to get the marshal's case. And the payoff in both stories is all she cared about was this little plane which sort of set up for the audience the idea that this plane was going to have a huge payoff later in the mythology of the show. Is there microfilm inside this, what is the significance of the plane?"
"Our intention was always that there be a second flashback story that revealed that that plane was part of a time capsule that she shared with a childhood sweetheart. She was responsible for the childhood sweetheart's death when she was on the run and, therefore, the plane had great emotional investment. And we would hear "What's up with the plane? What's going on with the plane? When are you going to pay off on the plane?" Then we paid it off and people still are asking us. So in the finale that year the marshal gives this big sort of monologue about, "You want to know about this f—ing plane? I'll tell you, God d**n it!"
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So it appears that some, if not many, of the items which we have discussed at length on the boards, on the podcasts, on the wiki may actually have little or no relevance whatsoever. The novels the characters have read, etc. - it'd be nice to know which is of actual significance, and which isn't.
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Post by jacksloststepkid on Oct 23, 2006 1:43:15 GMT -5
Interesting. Well, I agree that some of the small details are nods to the fans, some are just red herrings, not so much to send us down the wrong path as much to add a bit of smoke screen to what is important. That said, showing oceanic airplanes seems like a good example of a fairly serious connection between the airline and the Others. I'd be pretty disappointed if it was done just because they had to use something from somewhere else in the show for no good reason.
I still have faith that these little details are still worth noting and at least thinking about. Teasing out what is legitimate and what is just unimportant is part of the fun.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see where this all goes, but I personally think there has to be some connection with Oceanic and the Others even without the mobile.
JLSK
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