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Post by markedman on Jan 18, 2010 6:20:59 GMT -5
I'm watching the first season again, this time with my daughter, and i find myself obsessing about every little thing because of the whole time travel/reboot potential. So, when I see Locke predict the time the rain will start or stop to the second I wonder if its because he's been through this at least once before. Or the fact that two separate characters make predictions about Locke being the key to getting them off the island (Sayid and Charlie) makes me wonder if they know something. And also makes me think 'what lazy writing it would be to just leave him dead on the beach ;-) or the fact that Hurley gives Walt a thumbs up as he boards Oceanic 815.
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Post by spinaltumor on Jan 18, 2010 20:56:42 GMT -5
What made Locke so awesome was that he knew it was going to rain before it did just because he was so "one with nature" and all. If he just knew how to do it because he'd done it before, it makes him less interesting to me and I'd actually care less if he does just end at being dead on the beach.
Him being redeemed again sounds great to me, but I don't think I'd like it in this way.
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Post by markedman on Jan 18, 2010 21:06:42 GMT -5
What made Locke so awesome was that he knew it was going to rain before it did just because he was so "one with nature" and all. If he just knew how to do it because he'd done it before, it makes him less interesting to me and I'd actually care less if he does just end at being dead on the beach. I always thought the interesting thing was that he COULDN'T have known just by being in tune with nature. |
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Post by blueshadesolo on Jan 19, 2010 11:42:40 GMT -5
OK, dude, I have started to do the same (I'm sitting in bed at home in post-op recovery with nothing better to do)... Watch the beginning of House of the Rising Sun. Now this could be continuity error, but at the point when Jack, Kate, Charlie and Locke start their trek off into the Jungle there is a wide shot as they leave camp. Take a look at who is sitting on the wing of the plane - that looks like John Locke to me! He is facing down and away and trying to be inconspicuous (at the front of the shot)... What do you think?
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Post by blueshadesolo on Jan 19, 2010 11:46:01 GMT -5
...from the same episode - JL telling Charlie very confidently he will see his guitar again... evidence of knowledge of the future?
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Post by blueshadesolo on Jan 19, 2010 16:49:01 GMT -5
Last one for you... The first time we hear the familiar whooshing sound for a flashback is in 'Walkabout' however we only hear it AFTER lock has his encounter with Smokey, until then all flashbacks, even in the same episode, are introduced by an audio fade-in from the next scene only. Now maybe I need a Lost fix more than you and I'm starting to read too much into things, but I'm starting to think that may be significant. Over to you!
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Post by spinaltumor on Jan 19, 2010 22:15:04 GMT -5
Why would Locke be reliving everything, but no one else is? Or why would he be the only one aware? Why would what we've seen still be resulting in his death? Why would he still have tried to kill himself in a fit of depression if he knew how it all turned out? Why would he beg Ben and Richard to give him answers to questions he should already know the answers to?
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Post by markedman on Jan 20, 2010 6:03:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think it can be as simple as Locke is consciously reliving the loop. But it is still weird he knows when it will rain to the second. If they just wanted to show he is in tune with nature they took it too far. But maybe it is showing Locke has some unique connection to the island, or some control over it. That would be a twist - not predicting but unconsciously controlling. Locke is to rain what Walt is to birds.
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Post by blueshadesolo on Jan 20, 2010 6:08:20 GMT -5
Maybe...
1. If the DWG Locke was time travelling there would be two Locke's as now and we weren't always seeing our Locke? Theri characters on/off island are very disparate...
2. Maybe only certain infrormation was revealed to our sucker Locke in his encounter with Smokey, enough to make him feel in the loop, but then we saw him get frustrated when he reached the limits of his knowledge and made him vulnerable/desperate enough to follow an instruction to kill himself!
3. DWG can inhabit the living and the dead? He travels in Locke/others sometimes to access certain areas he otherwise wouldn't be able to do so, but then exits them?
4. Perhaps this is his curse, as he travels around the loop at first he can remember things, but then this wears off?
5. Some other crazy method?
We don't know that it would only be Locke, I would put money on Jack as well.
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Post by spinaltumor on Jan 20, 2010 9:48:29 GMT -5
There's just not evidence to convince me here. And when looking at storytelling, to have to explain how DWG has been time-traveling through Locke and so therefore has been Locke SOMETIMES...? I just don't see that happening in the 18 hours we've got.
There may be more to when Locke first encountered the monster, but I still say Locke has been Locke until he died and his body was brought to the Island.
I'm more inclined to just think that DWG picked Locke to manipulate at the time of that first encounter (assuming Smokey and DWG are really one and the same), and therefore gave Locke his special commune with the Island. But even still, it IS possible to sense weather changes, and Locke guessing the weather has nothing on Walt seemingly stopping the rain altogether when he wanted Michael to go look for Vincent.
Locke planned on going on the walkabout for a considerably long time. For him to know the ways of nature and how to survive in the wild isn't that much of a stretch.
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Post by markedman on Jan 20, 2010 21:53:00 GMT -5
Spinal Tumor, I don't think there are only three choices: 1) Locke being DWG or 2) time traveling or 3) he just senses the weather. I don't think he was DWG, and I think it is pretty unlikely he is time traveling. In fact, I don't really have an opinion on what it is, only on what it isn't. But it is true that from the very first, it felt to me like it was more than just being in tune with Nature. They may never explain it, though.
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Post by spinaltumor on Jan 20, 2010 23:11:43 GMT -5
Aa, yeah. I was just responding to what blueshadesolo seemed to be saying there.
This is a magical Island, though. So quite a number of things are possible.
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Jan 22, 2010 9:32:29 GMT -5
As much as I love the idea of reconsidering Locke in light of what we learned in Season 5 - I think what we saw is what we saw. The John Locke of the 1st 4 season was Locke and the guy we saw (appearing to be the resurrected Locke) in season 5 was the same guy we have seen appearing as Christian Shepherd and maybe even as Alex (when she appeared to Ben and told him to listen to Locke) and Yemi and maybe even Walt (good old "taller ghost Walt").
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Post by LongLiveLocke on Jan 22, 2010 19:53:38 GMT -5
I'm more inclined to just think that DWG picked Locke to manipulate at the time of that first encounter (assuming Smokey and DWG are really one and the same), and therefore gave Locke his special commune with the Island. I think you hit the nail on the head there. I don't think the rain thing was simply a connection to nature, I think it was a supernatural connection to the island that somehow resulted from his encounter with Smokey... as you said, likely part of his manipulation. As for knowing about the guitar case, I think that was just part of the "having faith" theme that Locke seems to represent. |
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