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EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Thread Started on Mar 5, 2006, 5:31am »
As if my theory couldn’t get any longer, this is an expansion of my EM Theory. For those on you who have read it before, you basically know what it entails. After a few weeks posted on the net, I have received a lot of feed back (some good, some bad) on my theory, and I have used it to rethink, tweak, and expand my theory. As always, I reserve the right to alter my theory as information through new episodes become available.
The Crash Version 2.0: Most trans-oceanic flights have three crewmen who make up the flight crew, the captain, the co-pilot and the flight engineer, each of which is capable of flying the plane at anytime. When Jack and Kate first enter the roosterpit in part one of the pilot, notice that there are three seats in the roosterpit. When they open the door a body falls out of the roosterpit, yet when they enter, only the pilot is in the roosterpit. There should have been two bodies in the roosterpit with the pilot. It could be argued that the co-pilot or the engineer could have been in the cabin, but in the event of a catastrophe (Like oh say the plane crashing) the entire flight crew would be in the roosterpit.
Shortly after take off, either the co-pilot or the engineer (for the purpose of making it easier, lets say the co-pilot who was actually working for the DI) activated a program that released a knock out gas into the plain, rendering everyone unconscious. The co-pilot, then took control of the plane, and redirected the plane to the island. Once over the island, the co-pilot put the plan into an approach pattern and let the DI do whatever it was that they did to bring down the plane. Notice the lack ground scarring which would be the result of a large object falling from the sky. The co-pilot then left the plane and made his way to a DI facility somewhere on the island.
The Survivors of Flight 815: Although a majority of the people on flight 815 have no link to the island what so ever, there are a select few who were manipulated, via different means, to be on the flight. After the crash, those whom were manipulated onto the plane were either kidnapped by the Others, and brought to the DI facility to be used for whatever it was that they were brought to the island for, or left to stay with the survivors for various reasons.
Jack: Although it is unknown as to what Jack’s place is in this puzzle, it is apparent that the DI wanted to make sure that he survived the crash which was made evident in the first scene of the Pilot when you could see in the reflection of his eye that a Smoke Cloud placed him in the bamboo grove away from the crash.
Shot with the reflection. Shot without the reflection taken a few frames later.
Kate: Kate also probably has a place in the DI’s grand scheme of things. She, like Jack, was not on the beach with the other survivors at the time of the crash. It is possible that the DI wanted to make sure that she survived, and had her moved away from the crash scene.
It is also quite possible, that Kate is in fact an Other. She like Goodwin was not with the other survivors on the beach, and came out of the jungle. She is always adamant to go on every group exploration. She could be doing this, to sabotage the expedition make sure that they don’t succeed in whatever it is that they are trying to do. She has also made sure that she is included among the group of camp leaders. As such, she is always informed as to what the other group leaders are up to, and what they have planned for the group in general.
Notice that in House of the Rising Sun, Kate was one of the deciding votes as to whether or not the survivors should move to the caves. It is likely that if she decided to move to the caves that a lot of the other survivors would have followed suit. By deciding to stay on the beach, she as an Other would have accomplished two things. She kept the survivors from moving to a place that would have made it difficult for the Others to get to them. What she also accomplished was that the camp was now divided in two, which made it easier for the Others to pick them off if they wanted, and it made communication among the survivors more difficult. Yet, probably the biggest, yet not very obvious, clues that Kate may be an Other occurs in Hunting Party in which she is brought out before Jack, Sawyer, and Locke as a hostage of the Others. A scene that is very similar to the bank robbery scene in Whatever the Case May Be. We know from the Marshal on the plane that Kate was in fact on the plane, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that she wasn’t a part of the DI before the she got on the plane. If she is an Other, she may have allowed herself to be captured knowing that the DI would make sure that she was on the flight that was going to be brought to the island.
Charlie: Based on the fact that Ethan tried to kill him, it is fairly certain that Charlie, like a majority of the passengers on the ill fated flight 815, was an innocent bystander who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Much to the dismay of the DI, however, he will prove to be major contributor in foiling their plans, especially in the way of Claire and her baby.
Clair: Claire, on the other hand, was in fact meant to be on the island. It is most likely that Claire was unknowingly was a part of the DI’s Eugenics program. Based on similarities between the drawings on the wall of the Hatch, and the paintings in Thomas’s loft, many have theorized that her boyfriend, Thomas, once lived on the island.
Screen cap of the wall in the hatch Screen cap of the paintings in Thomas’s loft
Thomas, a possible DIRV, was paired with Claire by the DI’s Eugenics program. His objective was to go to Australia to seek out Claire, and start a relationship with her. At first, this was just a mission to Thomas. He was just doing as he was directed, but he soon found that he was falling in love with Claire. He knew that if Claire got pregnant then the DI would want her baby.
Thomas did what he could to prevent Claire from getting pregnant, but unfortunately, she did. He then tried to hide her pregnancy from the DI, but it didn’t take long for the DI to find out. Once they found out that Claire was pregnant, the DI directed Thomas to break up with Claire. Obviously crushed, Thomas did as he was told, and left Claire to whatever plans the DI had for her. Claire was now torn. Not knowing what to do, she tried to put her unborn child up for adoption. Not wanting to lose the baby, the DIRV did what they could to manipulate Claire’s decision (i.e. the pens at the lawyer’s office not working).
The first thing that the psychic that Claire and her friend went to see was that the DI touched her life. The psychic’s first impulse was to distance him self from her as much as possible. Somehow or another, the psychic has avoided being detected by the DI. When he sees that the DI is manipulating events around Claire and her baby, he fears being discovered by the DI and stops the reading. Unfortunately for the psychic, the DI did discover him. Desperate to not be taken by the DI, the psychic makes a deal to deliver Claire and her baby to them. The DI gives him money and a plane ticket for Claire, which he reluctantly, yet dutifully does. When he performs the second reading, the sees more of what the DI is and what they may have planned for her baby to which the psychic warns that she should not let her baby be raised by “an Other” (a play on words in which the dialogue was structured to lead the audience into believing that he meant “Another”). Then, in Maternity Leave, probably the biggest evidence that the DI was watching, and manipulating Claire’s life was the mobile over the crib that played “Catch a Raising Star”. This was the song that Claire requested that the people at the adoption agency sing to her baby in Raised by Another.
Although this is a theory, and it is all speculation on my part, I am certain of one thing. Whether my theory is right or completely off the mark (which it probably is), I am positive that Thomas will make an appearance on the Island.
Walt: Throughout season one, Walt has shown an ability to influence things around him. He reads a book about birds, and a bird flies into the window. Michael tells him that he will look for his dog Vincent as soon as it stops raining, and then the rain eerily stops. Locke, possibly recognizing Walt’s innate ability, tells him to visualize in his head the knife going into the tree, and it does. Walt sees a polar bear in a comic book, and a polar bear appears to trap him in a banyan tree. He constantly gets favorable rolls, at will, while playing backgammon with Hurly. As a means to having a constant crop of psychics for various endeavors, Walt and the other children (including Clair and her unborn baby) were lured to the island for their innate psychic abilities.
As stated on the Hanso Foundation site, one of the active projects is an Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility. It could be possible that Walt had this innate ability, and the Others are currently trying to develop it. As a side effect of whatever they are doing to Walt to get this to fully manifest, Walt has developed the ability of Astral Projection. Even though Walt is physically with the Others, he "Projects" a copy of himself to individuals at the camp. Because this ability is new to Walt, this explains why the sightings are so random and why he appears to be speaking backwards.
The messages appearing to Michael on the computer could also be a form of Walt projecting himself. Walt isn't at another terminal typing, but is astral projecting his thoughts onto the computer for Michael to see. Since he is not concentrating on projecting an image of himself, the message on the screen is concise and un-jumbled. This means that, either, there was never any writing on the computer to begin with so there was nothing for Jack to see, or that Walt was Remote Viewing the Hatch and was manipulating the computer to type for him. When he saw that Jack was coming, he removed the messages from the screen.
The Numbers: I was watching a documentary on the National Geographic Channel about secret cold war government programs. One of the things covered in this documentary was the United State’s Remote Viewing program (Created solely because the Russian had started one). In this documentary, the psychics could remote view anyone and anywhere, but they were more effective if they were given something to home in on. To increase their efficiency, a random series of numbers are assigned to whatever object or place the person is trying to view. The psychic focuses on this number, and uses it to home in on the target. It was after this show that I first started formulating the basis to some of the points in this theory.
The number 4 8 15 16 23 42 was assigned to, and engraved on the hatch to enable the Dharma Initiative Remote Viewers (DIRV) to observe what was happening in Station 3. The number was further transmitted from the antenna near the Black Rock (where Rousseau later changed the message to her distress call) to aid DIRVs on the mainland to look in on the progress on the island. The reason the numbers appear to be cursed is because every time someone uses the numbers, it causes the DIRV to be redirected from what they are really targeting (Station 3). To prevent this, every time the unauthorized use of the numbers occurs, the DIRV use their psychic abilities to manipulate the surroundings and events around the user to discourage them from using the numbers again.
The numbers on the vials of, what we find out in Maternity Leave to be vaccine could be a way for the DIRVs to keep track of the vials. Notice that the numbers are not arranged in the same way as they are entered into the computer.
Screen cap of the vials in Man of Science, Man of Faith Screen cap of the vials in Maternity Leave
The numbers on the vials are 4-81516-23 42. This subtle difference enables the DIRVs to differentiate between the numbers on the Station 3 hatch, and the vials. If the sickness is as serious as Rousseau says, then it would be very important for the DI to keep track of every vial of vaccine. The numbers on the vials enable the DIRVs to track down every vial, even in the event that one is some how smuggled off of the island.
4 8 15 16 23 42 being the winning lottery numbers was actually a coincidence, Hurly using the numbers on his lottery ticket was not a major disruption to the DIRVs, but it was when Hurly won with the numbers that it started disrupt them. Since he won the lottery with the numbers, everything that he acquires using the money that he won is now linked to the numbers. As long as Hurly retains or spends his wealth, he is essentially using the numbers. Another factor that disrupted the DIRVs was the media coverage of Hurly. The coverage of Hurly winning the lottery was so huge that, as shown in House of the Raising Sun, it was even broadcasted in Korea. The numbers were now being broadcasted all over the world. This no doubt wreaked havoc on the DIRVs trying to home in on the island.
Realizing that there was no way to stop Hurly from interfering, the DIRV manipulated events around Hurly so that he would be on a flight, along with other people chosen by the DI for various reasons, departing Sidney that they have set up to crash on the island. Now that Hurly is on the island, the remote viewing interference that he was causing before is greatly reduced.
Adam, Eve and Henry Gale: One of the first mysteries that the survivors encountered on the island was who was the two courses in the cave whom Jack referred to as “Adam and Eve”. For a while, I never really bothered pondering their identities because in my opinion, there are far more interesting mysteries to speculate about on the island. However, after the introduction of Henry Gale and his story about his balloon in One of Them, I got the idea for the theory that, if he is lying, Adam and Eve may have come to the island on the balloon. With no hope of being rescued, they moved to the cave where they died (possibly from the sickness that Rousseau keeps talking about, but for some reason has yet to manifest among any of the survivors).
Since it is apparent that Ethan and Goodwin both failed at their objectives, the Others used their knowledge of the balloon and it’s location to fabricate a story so that Henry could infiltrate the camp. It was further hinted in Maternity Leave that Henry was an Other when he started to plane the seeds of dissention between Locke and Jack. Then at the end of Maternity Leave, Eko asked to speak to Henry where he asked for his forgiveness for killing two Others in The Other 48 Days when they tried to take him his first night on the island. I believe that Eko thinks that Henry was an Other. As such, the only person whom he can ask for forgiveness for killing the two Others, is another Other.
The Sickness At the moment, the only mention of the sickness was made by Rousseau, and then later it was alluded to by Ethan in Maternity Leave. The strange thing is that it has yet to manifest in any of the survivors. The first inclination of any sort of sickness among the survivors was when Claire’s baby got sick. However, by the end of the episode, whatever the baby had cleared up, and nothing conclusive was revealed about the sickness that Rousseau is so freaked out about. It is obvious that since Ethan mentioned it to Claire, and that the Others have a vaccine (if that is what is in the vials) for it, the sickness must be real. Still, it is strange that after living on the island for almost two months that none of the survivors have contracted it while Rousseau’s crew got it after living on the island for about the same amount of time. It was this thinking that lead me to think what could Claire’s baby and Rousseau’s crew have in common, and why did Rousseau’s crew get sick, but she didn’t? This is what I have come up with.
The sickness is not a virus, or a pathogen, but is a side effect to prolonged exposure to the electromagnetic anomalies on the island upon the brain. A normal person would usually not be vulnerable to this phenomenon. However, due to their heightened brain activity, those with some sort of psychic ability (no matter how undeveloped) are. If untreated, the electromagnetism on the island will elevate activity in the brain to the point where it would cause them to go mad. If my theory is correct, and the children were taken for their psychic abilities, then one of the main reasons that they are taken is that they have to be injected with the vaccine to prevent them from succumbing to the sickness. Children, with they still developing bodies may also be particularly susceptible to the sickness which would explain why the Others are so adamant about getting Claire’s baby, and why Ethan was injecting her with the vaccine in Maternity Leave.
I’m not sure if the vaccine is something that only has to be administered a few times, and then you are immune, or if it is like diabetes shots where you have to take them all the time. The fact that Desmond takes the vaccine all the time could indicate that it has to be taken every few hours. It would make sense if it were an all the time thing. This way, the DI would have a way of controlling the DIRVs. As long as they are the only source of the vaccine on the island, then the DIRVs have no choice but to work for them. If it turns out that the vaccine does not have to be taken all the time, then perhaps Desmond has to take it all the time because of his proximity to electromagnetic anomaly in the hatch. When Kelvin found Desmond, he quickly realized that he had an innate psychic ability, so he gave Desmond the vaccine to prevent him from going mad.
The reason that sickness may have affected Rousseau’s crew and not the survivors of flight 815 or Rousseau herself is that they all may have had innate psychic abilities where as Rousseau and the survivors did not. Another reason why Rousseau’s crew may have succumbed to the sickness was their frequent trips to the Black Rock. There may be another major electromagnetic anomaly near the Black Rock, and constantly traveling to and from the Black Rock may have heightened their exposure, thus making them sick.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded Version) « Reply #1 on Mar 5, 2006, 5:35am »
Theory FAQ
Why do ships, planes, balloons and so forth keep being LOST on the island?
As for stuff crashing into the island, as I stated in my theory, flight 815 was brought to the island, but the other stuff, Rousseau’s ship, Desmond's boat, the drug smuggler’s plane, and (if he's telling the truth) Henry Gale's balloon were caused to the crash by the DI to protect the secrecy of the island. It is safe to say, that the island is not charted on current navigational maps. This would explain why no planes or ships pass by. If it is not near regular shipping routes or flight paths, and if no one knows that it is there, then why bother sailing by, or flying over an area that, according to maps, is open Ocean? If a passing ship or plane were to come across the island, then the DI runs the risk of being discovered. The existence of the island would be reported and then before long, charted to be included on updated maps.
I think that the black smoke could be some type of remote viewing object, but I don't think it's a projection in ITSELF. If you could choose your method of projection, I doubt it would be a column of black smoke; you'd probably opt for something normal like a bird or at least something less conspicuous and frightening. If you're trying to brain scan people the last thing you want them to do is freak out and run off.
My thinking about the black smoke is that they don't have a choice of the form that they assume while viewing. When they are viewing they assume the form of the black smoke. Another thing that I tried to take into account while writing this theory was the "Little Suzy" factor. Notice that in different sections of my theory, Walt has different abilities, but cannot use them all at once. In Fan Fiction, this is called the "Little Suzy" effect (Don't ask me why its called that because I have no idea). When creating a character, you can't give them omnipotent abilities. It is more believable if the a character has drawbacks and weaknesses to their abilities. If he is viewing, then he can't talk or have physical form. If he is projecting a physical form, then he can't talk or interact. If he is talking (Like when he was sending a message to Michael on the computer or in the case of the DIRVs when they are whispering to each other), he does not spectrally manifest as a cloud. If the DIRV's are going to try to manipulate events or surroundings, then there has to be more than one of them to do so. Basically, I've taken away the DIRVs ability to be completely undetectable while viewing, and from being all-powerful.
The only thing that tugs at me is the show spends a considerable amount of effort to disclose the nefarious past of the survivors. The flashbacks reveal some real gray areas between good and evil. The other dichotomy in place is faith vs. science. Several religious images and undertones are placed throughout the series. Where would these themes lie within your EM theory or do you consider them to be a red herring or way to pass the hour as the creators slowly lead us down this path of revelation?
When writing this theory I was working on the plausible science of the island and not the philosophy. The constant theme of black and white, and good vs. evil has proven to be contradictory to almost everything in the show. As we have seen in the many flashbacks, life is not one or the other, but shades of gray. That is why the Yin & Yang symbol which constantly reappears, is a good reflection of the show. No one is all good, and no one is all evil. The nefarious past of the survivors reflects upon the dichotomy of the DI. The DI is working to save the world, however, in order to achieve that goal, they are willing to cross the line between right and wrong for the greater good of all of humanity…
Or, it all could just be filler. Hehe Unlike plot driven shows like Law & Order, the characters on Lost are just as important to the success of the show as the plot. A lot of people tune in every week to see the plot develop, but just as many people tune in to watch the characters as well.
Hurley didn’t choose the numbers by coincidence... he heard them from Lenny.
Even though I never mentioned it, I knew that Hurly got the numbers from Lenny. I just figured that everyone knew where Hurly got the numbers so I didn't bother to mention it in my theory. What I said in my theory was that the numbers being the winning lottery numbers was a coincidence. Hurly using the numbers on his lottery ticket was not a major disruption to the DIRVs, but it was when Hurly won with the numbers that it started disrupt them. The media coverage of Hurly was huge. So much so that, as shown in House of the Raising Sun, it was even broadcasted in Korea. Because of Hurly, the numbers were now being broadcasted all over the world. Every time that the story was broadcasted somewhere the numbers were also broadcasted. This no doubt wreaked havoc on the DIRVs trying to home in on the island.
Astral projection is when you project your consciousness into an astral double of your body in the astral plane of existence. People would not be able to see you unless they where also an astral projection, or practicing clairvoyant sight, which when Walt was sited no one was.
Although I admit that I know nothing about Astral Projection. I'm not the first person to take liberties on the concept of Astral Projection. While I'm sure that you idea of astral projection is closer to what it really is if there was such a thing, my limited knowledge of astral projection is based on what I have seen on television and in movies.
In the series Charmed (I forget what the character's name was, but it was Shannon Doherty's character), one of the characters had the ability to astral project, and her astral self could be seen by other characters, talk, and even interact with her surroundings. I thought that since astral projection was portrayed in this way before, that the audience (Charmed fans in particular) would already be familiar with the concept.
As far as I am concerned, Astral Projection has not been proven to exist, and until it is, there is no definitive definition for it. However, since there is no definitive way to know which idea of astral projection is correct, how about we just say that you and the creators of Charmed are both right.
I am curious though how you would explain the Black Rock...no one really has any thoughts to something that is obviously important somehow to the show, since it was in 2 or 3 episodes. The ships seems to throw a lot of theories "off-course", no pun intended, as it seems to throw an element of time warping into the mix.
I have yet to read a viable theory on the Black Rock. The problem with the Black Rock is that it’s hard to explain without entering the realm of wormholes, dimensional shifts, Bermuda triangles, or South Pacific decahedrons. Personally, I think that there is enough going on in the show plot wise, that throwing wormholes into the mix would be like turning on a full blender with out the lid on… One Big Mess.
The children and random 'athletic guys' were the only kidnapped (Claire was carrying a child, and Charlie was just 'there', and no one knows what happened to the south African chick with the tailies), characters who don’t even have names and aren't even semi-main characters. If the passengers were manipulated to be on that flight, why not bring a plane full of psychic children and athletic fathers to the island?
Everyone assumes that just because they never had any names in the show that they weren't important. When they explained that they took the strongest, that doesn't necessarily mean that they were taking them for the sake of making it easier to take out the weaker survivors nor does it mean that they meant physically strong. When the “Strongest” were taken, they may have been taken for use in the DI’s Eugenics program. As for the kids, bringing them to the island while they are young, would give the DI the opportunity to cultivate their abilities to the fullest, whether that be psychic abilities, or just a loyal grunt. The reason that planeloads of children are not brought to the island is because the island has limited resources, and would not be able to sustain a large population of psychic children. Could you imagine the havoc a few hundred children with psychic abilities would wreak on the island? It makes sense to bring in only a few at a time so that they can be easily managed.
So do you think the 2 guys Hurley se's at the metal hospital are possible DIRVs? Or was their purpose to simply press the numbers to focus the DIRVs.
I do think that they are DIRVs. It is possible that the mental strain that the brain undergoes is immense. I believe that psychics are a fairly recent phenomenon in human evolution. As such, the human brain has not evolved to a point where it can sustain prolonged use of this ability. DIRVs, as a result, run the risk of literally burning out. With such a high turn over of psychics, the DI expanded their research in their contingency projects (Cryogenics, and Eugenics) as a means of reducing the mental stress, and increasing the longevity of the DIRVs.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #4 on Mar 8, 2006, 8:48pm »
Couple questions:
First though let me say I like almost all of what I see here.
1. can you post an animated gif of the smoke in jack's eye? All I see is that his pupil is dialated and thenwhen exposed to light gets smaller - the reflections look the same to me.
2. What about the button? Why push the button every 108 minutes?
3. People's random visions on the island, like Locke's plane and Charlie's? What are these - visions from the psychics?
4. Locke's legs? why can he walk now?
5. Eko - if there isn't something "bermuda trianglish" going on - how do we explain the huge coincidence of his brother and the plane ending up on the same island.
6. How does the disguises that Zeke and such were wearing fit into this?
7. The writers talked about fear and confidence being a major influencer on how the bloack smoke reacted to people. How does that fit in?
Ok, enough questions - things I like alot about this - I love the numbers explanation. Not only does this fit, but it jives with the writers statement about the numbers being important, but that there is not a real deep reason why these particular numbers are used. I agree about Walt and projecting himself - this is the only thing that fits with what we've seen. Anyone who says that something psychic isn't involved explain the dice in the backgammon game and his step father's fear of him. I also think your description of Michael and the computer screen works well.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #6 on Mar 10, 2006, 7:56pm »
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Couple questions:
First though let me say I like almost all of what I see here.
1. can you post an animated gif of the smoke in jack's eye? All I see is that his pupil is dialated and thenwhen exposed to light gets smaller - the reflections look the same to me.
I'll see what I can do about getting a vid of it posted. I don't know, to me, when I look at the first pic of Jack's eye, I definitly see a reflection, but then again, I guess everything is in the eye of the beholder.
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2. What about the button? Why push the button every 108 minutes?
This post is an expansion to another theory I have posted on this board. At the very bewginning of this post, there is a link (Here it is again so you don't have to scroll up. EM Theory 1.0) to my origional theory. I think that a lot of your questions about my theory will be answered there.
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3. People's random visions on the island, like Locke's plane and Charlie's? What are these - visions from the psychics?
Possibly, I haven't thought of a way to explain the visions yet.
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4. Locke's legs? why can he walk now?
Hehe I dunno, lemmie get back to ya when I think something up.
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5. Eko - if there isn't something "bermuda trianglish" going on - how do we explain the huge coincidence of his brother and the plane ending up on the same island.
As much as I wish that I had all the answers, I don't, but it is questions like these that get me thinking. Pretty much everything in this expansion theory is because of people who posted questions for me. You never know, a few more questions like yours, and I may have a second expansion soon.
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6. How does the disguises that Zeke and such were wearing fit into this?
If my theory is correct, and the Others are working with the DI, then Zeke would not want to let Jack and the other survivors to know what they are doing. The costumes misleads the survivors to think that the Others are just a band of castaways like them when in reality, they have access to all the reasorces of the DI.
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7. The writers talked about fear and confidence being a major influencer on how the bloack smoke reacted to people. How does that fit in?
This is another question that would be answered when you read my origional theory.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #8 on Mar 12, 2006, 9:16am »
Actually, when look at the picture, I see a face, so I think that it is an editing flub, and that the reflection is of the camera man taking a close up of Mattmew Fox.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #9 on Mar 13, 2006, 12:19am »
about the pilot, co-pilot, and flight engineer. im pretty sure they dont have flight engineers anymore. i remember seeing documentaries on plane crashes from the 80's and seeing the flight engineer. his job was to monitor fuel-consumption, the radio and stuff like that. nowadays i think pretty much all of this stuff is done by computers so they got rid of flight engineers and the plane the Lostaways crashed in was a 777, Boieng's latest model. so that rules out the flight engineer, doesnt it?
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #10 on Mar 13, 2006, 12:24am »
nctrnlblst, i found proof that there wasnt a flight engineer on flight 815. heres the link to the site. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos107.htm scroll down to "Nature of the Work". its on the last couple of lines of the second paragraph "...and virtually all new aircraft now fly with only two pilots, who rely more heavily on computerized controls." sorry for punching a hole right through your awesome theory. i love the rest of it.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #11 on Mar 14, 2006, 5:40am »
I just realized that the site's obscenity filter changed my post so that it says "Roosterpit". That's kinda funny. hehe.
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Lostaways crashed in was a 777, Boieng's latest model. so that rules out the flight engineer, doesnt it?
As for the Engineer thing I've read up on pilots while working on the theory. Most newer airplanes are all automated, thus eliminating the position, but there are several older aircraft still in service that would require a Flight Engineer. However, if you check the documetary Designing a Disaster on disk seven of the season one box set, you would find out that the plane used in Lost was not a 777, but was an L-1011 which not only can accomidate a flightcrew of three, but has two additional jumpseats. Well that is my explination in defence of my theory.
Now, here is something that I noticed that would disprove my theory about a third man in the roosterpit. I don't know how the hell I missed this, I've seen the Pilot episode like 20 times, and it's plain as day. If you go check the scene in the roosterpit, the windshield in front of the co-pilot's seat is missing. The pilot even climbed through it before the monster picked him up and did whatever it was that it did. So, even if there was three men in the roosterpit, it could be possible that the co-pilot was sucked out of or crashed through the windshield during the crash.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #12 on Mar 14, 2006, 10:26pm »
this website, which is run by ABC, begs to differ. click on the link and look at the bottom left hand corner of the screen it says "Oceanic 777" http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm i still have to check up on the L-1011
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #13 on Mar 14, 2006, 10:32pm »
ok i found out about the L-1011 heres a site with a picture of it http://www.l1011.homestead.com/ i think they used the fuslege of an old L-1011 and made it look like a 777. why would they need to buy a completely new 777 and tear it up into 3 pieces? and the L-1011 does not have the range needed to go from Sydney to LA.
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Re: EM Field Theory 2.0 (Expanded) « Reply #14 on Mar 15, 2006, 5:44am »
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ok i found out about the L-1011 heres a site with a picture of it http://www.l1011.homestead.com/ i think they used the fuslege of an old L-1011 and made it look like a 777. why would they need to buy a completely new 777 and tear it up into 3 pieces? and the L-1011 does not have the range needed to go from Sydney to LA.
It's really a moot point, because neither plane would be able to make the flight from Sydney to L.A. The distance from Sydney to L.A. is 6506 nautical miles.
A tri engine L-1011 has a maximum range of 5,260 nautical miles. The 777 has a maximum range of 5,900 nautical miles. If you want to get even more into it, the Oceanic web site has an FAA document about the missing plane that lists it as a 717 which only has a maximum range of 2060 nautical miles. The only plane that could make the flight, which is the plane that they actually use on the route from Sydney to L.A., is a quad-engine 747 which has a range of 7284 nautical miles, and it would be virtually impossible to mistake the wreckage on the island as that of a Boeing 747.
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