The Cabin « Thread Started on May 19, 2009, 6:58pm »
The cabin is one of the questions I really would like some closure on in this final season. My fear is that it was originally a way they depicted Jacob and then they literally burn it down in Jacob's episode b/c they decided not to go that route. Here is what I gather for the most part.
Things I think about the cabin:
Jacob DID at one time live there.
Illana and co. really seem to working for Jacob to me, based on their exposure of Flocke to the others outside the foot and based on Illana's flashback. They seemed to think he might be there at first.
Jacob has not been living there for a while
I believe that there were no "others" (which IMO could now be called "Jacobites") at the time of the arrival of the black rock. I believe there are multiple groups of others....entire groups...not of people but of lineage...as in between a "group" there are no people on island....at least not that have a Jacob/Anti-Locke connection.
Throughout history Jacob brings people and they betray Jacob or hurt island or kill themselves or something. (IMO this looming in season 6 will be one of the central themes). This is the general theme.
Perhaps Jacob lived in the cabin during the early stages of the "current others" which came from the black rock (along w/ Richard) BUT Anti-Jacob (Samuel) somehow gained followers and there was a massive OPEN war between the Jacob/Samuel-turned followers that came on the black rock. (This might be mirrored in season 6). During this/as a result of this Jacob left the cabin and adopted newer more secreative set of "rules" and gave Richard (who must have been a strong leader/supporter of him) long life to help preserve them. He became more of recluse.
Wait! Wait! Wait!....But...Horace built it...right?
Well...it seems that way. But he appeared in a DREAM to Locke saying that...assuming Anti-Jacob was chilling there and trying to get Locke to come there while him and Ben were out on their journey...it's perfectly plausible that the dream was just another form of manipulation.
Why Horace? B/C Ben is with Locke at the time and well...Ben is a perfect example of why Anti-Locke has no faith in people and took the opportunity to incorporate some classic judgment/torment...also SHOWING Ben that Jacob had moved on by making them both believe Locke heard Jacob. This furthers his plan by planting seeds of resentment in Ben's mind toward Jacob.
Horace definitely lied about "find me find Jacob" and "Jacob being in the cabin." He was essentially saying "find me, find the map to a cabin...where Anti-Jacob is currently b/c he needs you to "help" him...help him complete his plan to finally kill Jacob via the loophole known as Ben.
We never saw Horace building or mentioning a Cabin in our visions of him. He never mentioned a son...which he did have during the time we saw him...it seems plausible that it was a manipulative vision given to Locke by Anti-Jacob full of lies.
Anti-Locke moved in
IDK, Illana and co. said "it seems like someone else has been using it."
He moved in as part of his overall plan to corrupt Ben and kill Jacob. He foresaw/knew somehow that he would be able to influence the people on the island by using the cabin. IMO he was found out at some point (probably earlier than Ben's reign...perhaps Widmore?) and trapped there by Richard on orders of Jacob to surround it with some sort of ash that will trap him inside.
Ben
Ben IMO was unaware that Anti-Locke was there (may not even know he exists). I have no idea why Richard wouldn't know or wouldn't tell Locke Jacob left and or that they sealed Anti-Locke there earlier. I assume Jacob did not want to see Ben and Richard had mentioned or Ben had heard talk of Jacob's Cabin.
I can't remember if Ben said to Locke they were going to a cabin or just going to Jacob. It may have been Ben's motive all along to just take John out and make up some bull**** or just kill him. He was probably surprised by the Cabin appearing and used it as an opportunity to possibly meet Jacob...when no one was there he faked it to cover up the fact that he had no idea where/what Jacob is.
Claire breaks the circle of ash
Basically Claire is somehow manipulated...perhaps even kept alive after what should have been her death at the hands of the Keamy rocket (similar to how Jacob saves Locke after the window fall though not as open/obvious). She is used to break the ash circle and free Anti-Jacob. This way he is free to be Flocke FULL ON (different from his other projections that people like Ecko saw...stable and maintainable).
Claire and Christian were seen chillin' in the together. Her disappearance was season 4 (perfect time to let Anti-Jacob out).
The cabin is burned
Illana and co. burn it down and coupled with Jacob's death/the foot's loss of sacred protection (loop hole found) the battle is ready to once again emerge from the shadows and take place in the open for us to see in season 6. The cold war ended...but only b/c it just turned into a real war.
Summary
I really hope they give us more and didn't just burn it down w/ the only closure being that Jacob wasn't there when we saw it...and it might have been Anti-Jacob.
Jacob used to live there and was ousted/left following massive **** after the black rock came between him and Anti-Jacob. He went to the foot and changed his rules...using Richard to implement them...Anti-Locke went in there to manipulate and work his plan...he was trapped perhaps by Widmore's others on Jacob's orders...he got out by using Claire (season 4)...now the cabin's use is over and it was burned.
What do you think?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 6:30pm by greengrown713 »
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"Despite your loyal service to this Island, you got cancer. You had to watch your own daughter gunned down right in front of you, and your reward for those sacrifices? You were banished. And you did all this in the name of a man you've never even met. So the question here, Ben, is why the hell wouldn't you want to kill Jacob?"
Well...it seems that way. But he appeared in a DREAM to Locke saying that...assuming Anti-Jacob was chilling there and trying to get Locke to come there while him and Ben were out on their journey...it's perfectly plausible that the dream was just another form of manipulation.
Why Horace? B/C Ben is with Locke at the time and well...Ben is a perfect example of why Anti-Locke has not faith in people and took the opportunity to incorporate some classic judgment/torment.
Horace definitely lied about "find me find Jacob" and "Jacob being in the cabin." He was essentially saying "find me, find the map to a cabin...where Anti-Jacob is currently b/c he needs you to "help" him...help him complete his plan to finally kill Jacob via the loophole known as Ben.
Re: The Cabin « Reply #3 on May 19, 2009, 7:51pm »
Not to mention it matched up perfectly giving him the opportunity to make Ben further believe Jacob had forsaken him...by making them both believe Locke now hears Jacob.
We never saw Horace build a cabin or mention one. He mentions the Ms.'s but doesn't mention his son...which he has at the time we see him.
IMO the Horace dream is not enough to debunk this one b/c if you look at it a certain way it seems VERY MUCH like a vision given to him by Anti-Jacob...and that there may well be multiple lies in it.
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Re: The Cabin « Reply #4 on May 19, 2009, 10:26pm »
I'm just not sure on the age of the cabin or exactly when Jacob stopped occupying it.
On the one hand, my mind tells me that Jacob possibly trapping Esau in the cabin should be related to Richard becoming ageless.... Like the two events happened around the same time. Like Richard helped with the trapping so immortality was his reward. But...if Richard came on the Black Rock...then the cabin was probably built around the same time too. And that makes the cabin reeeeally old. And while it looks old...does it look that old? How long would a little wooden cabin last?
And Ilana expected Jacob to be in the cabin, but since he visited her presumably not that long ago...why would she think he would be in the cabin? Why wouldn't he have told her where she'd be able to find him?
And Ilana expected Jacob to be in the cabin, but since he visited her presumably not that long ago...why would she think he would be in the cabin? Why wouldn't he have told her where she'd be able to find him?
Yeah I agree that it would be odd for Jacob not to tell her where he was, but let's says she already knew him (she said she was happy to see him.) Maybe she had been to the Island before (I just thought of this, maybe she was on the Black Rock) and he had possibly just built it as a jungle home and thought he would stay there instead of being in a giant foot.
I'm just not sure on the age of the cabin or exactly when Jacob stopped occupying it.
On the one hand, my mind tells me that Jacob possibly trapping Esau in the cabin should be related to Richard becoming ageless.... Like the two events happened around the same time. Like Richard helped with the trapping so immortality was his reward. But...if Richard came on the Black Rock...then the cabin was probably built around the same time too. And that makes the cabin reeeeally old. And while it looks old...does it look that old? How long would a little wooden cabin last?
And Ilana expected Jacob to be in the cabin, but since he visited her presumably not that long ago...why would she think he would be in the cabin? Why wouldn't he have told her where she'd be able to find him?
Really not sure why he wouldn't have told Illana where he'd be....but he obviously did not. It seems as though Jacob has been gone for at least 20-30 years.
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Re: The Cabin « Reply #7 on May 24, 2009, 1:57pm »
Although if he told her the code phrase "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" theeeen you'd think that would be his way of saying where he was. Since the answer clearly implicates him and all....
Although if he told her the code phrase "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" theeeen you'd think that would be his way of saying where he was. Since the answer clearly implicates him and all....
So again, why go to the cabin?
All he told her was that he needed her to help him.
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Re: The Cabin « Reply #11 on May 25, 2009, 12:29pm »
Okay, but If it's Esau's cabin, then why is Christian there?
Maybe Christian is with Esau, but if that's true that means that Jacob NEVER wanted the island to be moved, Esau did, since it was Christian in the cabin, and you're saying it's Esau's cabin.
So maybe moving the island was never Jacob's plan, and it was the WRONG thing to do with the island.
Although if he told her the code phrase "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" theeeen you'd think that would be his way of saying where he was. Since the answer clearly implicates him and all....
So again, why go to the cabin?
I don't think she was looking for Jacob in the cabin. Remember she said they needed to show the contents of the box to someone to show what he was up against(or something like that, don't remember the exact quote) I got the impression they were looking for Esau on behalf of Jacob to say, "We know what you're up to and it's not going to work." but when they got there they found he had escaped and left the clue that he was going to the statue and Jacob.
Although if he told her the code phrase "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" theeeen you'd think that would be his way of saying where he was. Since the answer clearly implicates him and all....
So again, why go to the cabin?
I don't think she was looking for Jacob in the cabin. Remember she said they needed to show the contents of the box to someone to show what he was up against(or something like that, don't remember the exact quote) I got the impression they were looking for Esau on behalf of Jacob to say, "We know what you're up to and it's not going to work." but when they got there they found he had escaped and left the clue that he was going to the statue and Jacob.
"Number of Responded Calls on the Show: 2 (4.14, 4.20)"
"Despite your loyal service to this Island, you got cancer. You had to watch your own daughter gunned down right in front of you, and your reward for those sacrifices? You were banished. And you did all this in the name of a man you've never even met. So the question here, Ben, is why the hell wouldn't you want to kill Jacob?"
Although if he told her the code phrase "what lies in the shadow of the statue?" theeeen you'd think that would be his way of saying where he was. Since the answer clearly implicates him and all....
So again, why go to the cabin?
I don't think she was looking for Jacob in the cabin. Remember she said they needed to show the contents of the box to someone to show what he was up against(or something like that, don't remember the exact quote) I got the impression they were looking for Esau on behalf of Jacob to say, "We know what you're up to and it's not going to work." but when they got there they found he had escaped and left the clue that he was going to the statue and Jacob.
I kind of liked this but...
...Well the problem is Esau was Locke...(presumably)...and they saw Locke so they knew...at least by the point they went to the cabin they knew. So why would they show be going to show Esau Lockes dead body when they saw Esau as Locke anyway....they knew something was weird with Locke and probably knew it wasn't Jacob...ya know? It's seems like they were more likely referring to Jacob but who knows...
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