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Post by blop on Apr 19, 2009 12:04:06 GMT -5
What??? It's evolving!!
...Anyways, so there's this huge question that comes from last weeks episode that I think a lot of people have kinda been skirting around, and that is: how in the heck can DHARMA be building a whole station in hostile territory without the hostiles coming and blowing them to pieces?
I think that Richard struck a deal with Horace and crew, and told them that if they dug a huge hole underground for Jughead to sit in, and contained it safely, then DHARMA could build their swan hatch there. It's even possible that part of the swan hatch contain(s/ed) the Jughead bomb and that is part of the incident or something.
But either way I think that a deal was struck between (some of?) the hostiles and DHARMA saying that if DHARMA found a way to protect the island from the Jughead risk, then they could build their little Swan hatch in Hostile territory and it would be left alone.
EDIT: if a mod/admin could move this to the theories section that would be good. I accidentally posted it in the wrong spot... sorry!
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 19, 2009 18:15:09 GMT -5
It could simply be that Richard - knowing that Jughead is there - and it's a part of the island that he and The Others avoid because of that - is letting DHARMA build there - maybe even hoping they either blow themselves up (knowing that the island would somehow protect him and his people) - or just die from the radiation.
Richard knows the island's secrets while DHARMA is kind of stumbling around finding them. He is more or less in a passive/aggressive mode here. "Hey - we have come to an agreement - you have your part of the island - we have ours - if you blow yourselves up - get eaten by a Smoke Monster - not my fault"
Radzinsky and Chang are sneaking around not knowing that Richard and The Others don't really care what they do there.
Just a thought 
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Post by monsterjester on Apr 20, 2009 14:14:40 GMT -5
Or the "Hostiles" just avoid that area because they know that's where they buried Jughead.
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Post by blop on Apr 20, 2009 16:08:18 GMT -5
Or the "Hostiles" just avoid that area because they know that's where they buried Jughead. Quite possible. |
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Post by guanthwei on Apr 20, 2009 16:34:35 GMT -5
I don't believe Jughead was buried right next to a fluctuating electromagnet that is powerful enough to rip a plane into three pieces several thousand feet in the air. You'd think that kind of energy being that close to a nuclear bomb would cause some kind of leakage or detonation.
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Post by Uncle Igmar on Apr 20, 2009 17:07:51 GMT -5
But what if the fluctuating electromagnet was buried next to Jughead? Kidding. ;D
I have always had a problem with the fact (as we have been told) that Desmond's not pushing the buttons within the 108 minutes was what actually broke up Flight 815. It may have been a contributing factor, but not the entire reason.
I have - if not always - then for a long time - possibly since Ben told Michael to take a specific heading when leaving the island - that the island is protected from being seen by the rest of the "real world" by a dome of energy, Desmond's "bloody snow globe" if you will.
The plane hitting this dome would explain the fracturing of the plane. There being a dome would also explain Faraday's comment about the "light not tracking right" and might even explain what happened to Joanna, assumed to have drowned way back in "White Rabbit" (we know there are time dilation issues surrounding the island - maybe she didn't so much drown as end up in a different time. It would also explain the problems that both helicopters from the freighter had arriving at the island and Frank's leaving it ("The Constant").
Just a thought that has nothing to do - really - with Blop's original theory 
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Post by guanthwei on Apr 20, 2009 17:22:14 GMT -5
That part is true. I remember hearing that if you flew over the Island you wouldn't even see it. I forgot where I heard it, I could've sworn it was on the show itself. I keep thinking back to season 3 or so when they first saw a helicopter flying over the island.
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Post by monsterjester on Apr 20, 2009 18:19:07 GMT -5
I too have often wondered why an electromagnetic pulse would cause the plane to break apart. I believe the concept may be that when the electromagnetic pulse occured, it knocked out all electrical systems on the plane, causing the plane to lose power, and that somehow caused the plane to decelerate and/or alter course too abruptly for the plane to maintain it's structural integrity, and the stress of the atmosphere at those specific speeds and conditions caused the plane to break into three parts. Kind of a stretch, though. Was Lapidus able to land the second plane just because there was no electromagnetic pulse to fry his instruments?
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Post by danthew on Apr 20, 2009 18:41:33 GMT -5
Yeah, the engines stopped working when they went through the weird "dome" or "field" or whatever it is. But he got them started again because he could use them as reverse thrust when landing.
Yet I still don't see how 815 broke up, unless the Swan was messing up the field around the island and that cut the plane up as it traveled through.
[edit] just had another thought. If the pilot wasn't as good as Lapidus he might have overcorrected for the stall and pulled the plane apart. I remember playing an old flight simulater where you could put the plane into a dive then rip off the wings by pulling up too hard.
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Post by ccsgo on Apr 23, 2009 9:09:03 GMT -5
As I read through this thread, an idea popped into my head. It's a rough idea so be patient with me. It seems that all the people on the plane needed to be on the island to fulfill some sort of destiny, and that maybe the plane crash of 815 was no more an accident than 316 was. The island was in control. So, if this is the case, then, I think that the plane crashed there not as an accidental response to the EMP but that the EMP was created specifically to cause the plane to deliver its passengers to fulfill their collective destiny. Those who were not on Jacob's list were expendable.
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Post by guanthwei on Apr 23, 2009 9:29:02 GMT -5
Well that certainly is the case with the mythos, we're just trying to find scientific backing behind it.
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Post by semaphore on Apr 26, 2009 13:30:55 GMT -5
I'm now thinking that the Swan station didn't implode or explode -- it wasn't destroyed -- it was moved in space/time when Desmond turned the key in the same way Ben moved the entire island by turning the frozen donkey wheel. This is consistent with Desmond being generally unharmed -- he was moved the way Ben was. And, of course, his issues with time started then.
If true, the implications are interesting. The Swan station itself could be skipping through time, and may show up at later.
If Jughead was buried underneath, it might have been scooped up and is along for the ride...
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Post by danthew on Apr 26, 2009 14:04:12 GMT -5
I think that the Swan did implode and all the air inside compressed and shot the hatch into the sky. But I also think Desmond was time travelled because he was naked afterwards.
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Post by sweaterben on Apr 26, 2009 19:47:43 GMT -5
I think D&C specifically indicated that the event was an implosion in one of the official podcasts. Also if think there is evidence that the hatch did not just skip through time because the hatch door ended up on the beach.
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Post by guanthwei on Apr 27, 2009 0:54:21 GMT -5
Well, 4 of the Ajira passengers skipped time while the rest ended up on the Hydra beach...
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